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Re:My IQ by vacri on Sunday November 04, 2012 @05:24PM (#4741302)
Great points, but "why join a club whose only entrance requirement is that you pass the test to join" is redundant. Every club with any requirement is exactly the same. Want to join a boat club and need the endorsement of one member? That's a test you have to pass to join, a social one. Want to join an old-fashioned gentleman's club? Then your test is 'be endorsed, well dressed, and have a penis'. It's still a test to get in. Want to join a motorcycle club? You're going to need a motorcycle and know how to ride it. Want to join Hufflepuff? There's a test for that, too.
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Re:My IQ by mgkimsal on Sunday November 04, 2012 @08:30PM (#4741847)
Agreed it's redundant, but there's something else about it too. IQ is biological. You may just as well have a club for left-handed people, or people with green eyes. You'll have about as much in common with them.

Not entirely true, but the few Mensa meetings I went to were all 'social' ones (met at a restaurant), and I had nothing demonstrable in common with the people there other than having the same biological brain ability. We probably did have some things in common, but no one went out of their way to welcome me, and I didn't bother to try to make myself welcome either, so I quit going.

What I think we may have had in common is some of the same social experiences of being outsiders looking in to 'normal' societal groups. Certainly everyone's experiences are different, but often highly intelligent people will be ostracized (through their own fault or the fault of others or both), and being able to relate based on those shared experiences can be useful in some capacity. The group I went to didn't seem to be in to that.

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Re:My IQ by illuminate on Sunday November 04, 2012 @10:44PM (#4742146)
"IQ is biological"

And you believe this because?

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Re:My IQ by mgkimsal on Monday November 05, 2012 @08:44AM (#4743373)
sweeping statement, I understand. at core is my position as a materialist - I think everything is physical / material / biological. 'Intelligence' is simply an expression of that, and IQ as a measure of that is measuring something that's biological, like left-handedness or height.

My evidence... I've not seen any evidence to the contrary. We do see evidence that physically messing with brains causing changes in brain function. Brain damage can cause impairment to memory - short term memory is one of the elements of IQ that gets measured in tests that I've taken.

If you have evidence to the contrary that what we measure as IQ is somehow not rooted in biology, please share it.

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Re:My IQ by illuminate on Thursday November 08, 2012 @12:34PM (#4758811)
I'm not here to prove the negative. Your opinion that nurture does not exist hand-in-hand is false.

"everything is physical / material / biological."

I don't believe in ghosts/souls/the immaterial, but this is irrelevant to social conditioning having an objective effect on IQ tests. Yes, the brain that stores information is "physical", but the information is not stored in birth.

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