Re:Something is afoot in the land of Qwen
by zozbot234 on Wednesday March 04, 2026 @05:55PM
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Agreed but for a dense model you'd have to stream the whole model for every token, whereas with MoE there's at least the possibility that some experts may be "cold" for any given request and not be streamed in or cached. This will probably become more likely as models get even sparser. (The "it's unusable" judgmemt is correct if you're considering close-to-minimum reauirements, but for just getting a model to fit, caching "almost all of it" in RAM may be an excellent choice.)
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Re:Something is afoot in the land of Qwen
by EnPissant on Wednesday March 04, 2026 @09:18PM
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Unlike offloading weights from VRAM to system RAM, I just can't see a situation where you would want to offload to an SSD. The difference is just too large, and any model so large you can't run it in system RAM, is going to be so large it is probably unusable except in VRAM.
Re:Something is afoot in the land of Qwen
by zozbot234 on Thursday March 05, 2026 @07:21AM
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Unusable for anything like realtime response, yes. Might be usable and even quite sensible to power less-than-realtime uses on much cheaper inference platforms, as long as the slow storage bandwidth doesn't overly bottleneck compute.