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Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by janalsncm on Friday February 27, 2026 @06:38PM (#47187602)
When models get cheaper to run for OpenAI, they also get cheaper for everyone else. It gets commoditized. AI might be able to do more, but most people aren’t going to pay for a thing they could get for free. See the many models on Huggingface as examples of that.

And as the number of things AI is “good enough” at increases, the list of things on the frontier that people will want to pay OpenAI for shrinks. Even if OpenAI can consistently churn out PhD level math, most companies don’t care about that.

So a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for the math to work out is that frontier tasks still exist and are profitable. This is why CEOs keep hyping up AGI. But what they really want is for developers to keep paying to get AI to center a div.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by intrasight on Friday February 27, 2026 @07:38PM (#47188321)
> get cheaper to run

Irrelevant. The model is the moat

> most companies don’t care about that.

Wrong. They will use the model that gives them an edge. If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using Einstein, they will lose.

> center a div

For sure a common use case, but is bot what the CEO is concerned about with AI.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by vidarh on Friday February 27, 2026 @07:58PM (#47188505)
> Wrong. They will use the model that gives them an edge. If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using Einstein, they will lose.

For some tasks that matters. But for a lot of tasks, "good enough but cheaper" will win out.

I'm sure there will be a market for whichever company has the best model, but just like most companies don't hire many PhD's, most companies won't feel a need for the highest end models either, above a certain level.

E.g. with the release of Sonnet 4.6, I switched a lot of my processes from Opus to Sonnet, because Sonnet 4.6 is good enough, and it means I can do more for less.

But I'm also experimenting with Kimi, Qwen, Deepseek, and others for a number of tasks, including fine-grained switching and interleaving. E.g. have a cheap but dumb model filter data or take over when a sub-task is simple enough, in order to have the smart model do less, for example.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by intrasight on Saturday February 28, 2026 @06:16AM (#47193757)
Models will get smarter and cheaper. For those that are burned directly into silicon, there will be a market for old models - as the alternative is to dump that silicon in a landfill.

For models that run on general-purpose AI hardware, I don't know why the vendors would waste that resource on old models.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by vidarh on Saturday February 28, 2026 @07:47AM (#47194703)
Who says anything about old models? What we're seeing is that as the frontier models get better, we get cheaper, better small models that leverage the advanced but cost a fraction. At the same time, hardware provides morez cheaper options. Sometimes far faster options too (e.g. Cerebras).

In terms of price, I can get 1m output tokens from Deepseek for 40 cents vs. 25 dollars for Opus, and a number of models near the 1-2 dollar mark that are increasingly viable for a larger set of applications.

Providers will keep running those cheaper models as long as there's demand.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by generallyjosh on Sunday March 01, 2026 @09:10AM (#47206836)
Larger models need more hardware resources to run

And, depending on effort settings, they do more 'thinking', i.e., use more rounds of inference to generate longer internal chains of thought

Both very good reasons to prefer a smaller model, if the small model is good enough for the task

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by janalsncm on Saturday February 28, 2026 @04:25AM (#47192784)
> The model is the moat

What model? GPT4o certainly isn’t a moat for open ai. They need to keep training better and better models because qwen3, kimi k2.5 etc constantly nipping at their heels.

> Wrong. They will use the model that gives them an edge. If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using Einstein, they will lose.

It depends on the business. As much as I’d love to engage a PhD or an Einstein in my Verizon customer support call, it isn’t going to net the call center any value to pay for that extra compute.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by intrasight on Saturday February 28, 2026 @06:10AM (#47193700)
It's a moat. Yes, they must keep refilling it, but it's all they have.

My PhD vs Einstein analogy was bad. What I mean is stupid vs smart. Nobody is going to pay for a stupid model when they can pay a bit more for smart.

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by xyzsparetimexyz on Saturday February 28, 2026 @08:04AM (#47194845)
But what if all models that are smart enough for the task? Then its about price no?
Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by robotpepi on Saturday February 28, 2026 @06:13AM (#47193726)
> If they are using a PhD but their competitors are using

god what are these assumptions

Re:OpenAI raises $110B on $730B pre-money valuation by intrasight on Saturday February 28, 2026 @06:35AM (#47193934)
More analogy than assumption. And admittedly a poor analogy.