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Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by carlosjobim on Friday February 27, 2026 @10:13AM (#47181447)
It's rare to see anybody literally arguing it, but it's more common than not in the real world.

Oppression would be quite impossible throughout history if people weren't willing to oppress their own kind to the benefit of others.

Even those arguing for loyalty to the in-group are rarely those who would themselves make any sacrifices for that group.

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by estearum on Friday February 27, 2026 @10:54AM (#47181969)
> Oppression would be quite impossible throughout history if people weren't willing to oppress their own kind to the benefit of others.

No what's far more common is that people change their perception (or have different perceptions) of who is "their own kind."

You can actually see this happening in real time in the US with the emerging concept of "Heritage Americans." It's a way for losers and crybabies to narrow the scope of who is "their own kind" without having to openly declare that they simply don't love their countrymen.

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by jvandreae on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:21PM (#47183698)
I - and thankfully, it appears, the current administration - don't accept your definition of who is "my countrymen".

> losers and crybabies

Luckily, for now, at least, it appears to be your side that is losing and crying.

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by estearum on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:27PM (#47184490)
QED
Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by joshuaissac on Friday February 27, 2026 @01:27PM (#47183769)
> Oppression would be quite impossible throughout history if people weren't willing to oppress their own kind to the benefit of others.

Isn't the opposite far more common? When oppression happens, it is typically people oppressing the out-group for the benefit of the in-group.

Re:The normalization of corruption in organizations (2003) [... by carlosjobim on Friday February 27, 2026 @02:11PM (#47184329)
My impression is that the foreign/out group delegate the actual oppressing to local representatives, who are more than eager to do it towards their own kind.