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Re:North Carolina teacher's resignation letter by wpietri on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @01:00AM (#4716158)
Why is it suddenly my job to make up tests? If you'd like some, give it a go.

My point is that NCLB is scientific in the same way Taylorism was: it's a cargo cult activity that takes on the trappings of science and looks for something easy to measure. And then uses those measures in ways that aren't scientifically validated at all.

Re:North Carolina teacher's resignation letter by yummyfajitas on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @08:34AM (#4717094)
I'm asking you what evidence (if any) would change your belief. Perhaps no evidence is capable of changing your mind.

That's fine - you've just adopted a different philosophy, one of the "other ways of knowing" rather than science.

My point is that NCLB...

I'm not arguing for NCLB, I'm arguing that objective, comparable and reproducible measurements are the only viable way to optimize a system.

If you want to argue some specific metric is flawed, do it. Explain what should be measured and how the particular metric differs from it (i.e., details). So far, not a single person in this thread has actually done that - the closest we came was this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4713558

Re:North Carolina teacher's resignation letter by wpietri on Tuesday October 30, 2012 @12:59PM (#4718256)
Science is awesome. It is also incredibly difficult and expensive.

I would love it if we did proper science with education. I would love it if we did it with software development. In neither case has anybody put forward sufficient resources to do real science in these realms. Not science sufficient to replace human judgment.

Until we can, I don't think cargo cult science is the way to go. Half-assed studies on software development methods, counting simple metrics for developers, measuring teachers through simple standardized tests: all cargo cult science.

For now, I'd much rather rely explicitly on human judgment. It's not as good as actual science, but it's much better than pseudoscience.