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Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by ChuckMcM on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:41PM (#4704181)
Sigh, I really wish it had some local storage. I know, I know, the 'cloud' is my storage, and I get the whole Google meme that someday the world will have 4G LTE type speeds everywhere and we'll have fixed legislation such that we don't have to worry about non-local data being seized next to someone's illegal content. But that time is not now. And my pain is not psychosomatic. I really like to have some local stuff.
Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by ericabiz on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:01PM (#4704259)
It does have local storage--it just doesn't have an SD card slot for storage expansion.

It's safe to say this will come in 16GB and 32GB varieties, and hopefully there will be a 64GB option.

My Galaxy Nexus has 32GB, and my Nexus 7 has 16GB, and I've never hurt for storage, even with movies (Nexus 7) and Spotify playlists at "extreme" quality (Galaxy Nexus.)

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by incision on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:13PM (#4704296)
I too run with the Nexus duo and likewise have never felt constrained by the amount of local storage.

Of course, I'm not in the habit of carrying around dozens of movies or a library of 600MB+ games as some might.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by zmmmmm on Friday October 26, 2012 @10:36PM (#4705142)
It's not only about having enough storage. It also enables interoperability. I love being able to take a whole bunch of snaps with my camera, rip out the micro SD card and then shove it in my tablet and show everyone the photos instantly - no silly syncing, transferring, copying etc.
Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by cs702 on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:09PM (#4704290)
Given Google's strategy of competing with aggressive pricing, one can understand why they're skimping on built-in local storage. What I don't fully understand is the lack of even a micro SD card slot, which could have been added to the device at minimal cost. (Customers who don't care about having more local storage will use Google's online storage services regardless of whether the device has such a slot or not, but customers who need more local storage won't buy the device at all!)
Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by ChuckMcM on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:56PM (#4704458)
In response to this and incision's comment as well. Lets look at two things 'cost' and 'value'.

SD cards use a protocol called 'SPI', its a serial protocol and requires a total of 5 I/O lines to the processor. The connector [1] is less then 10 cents. I can't really speak to the cost of milling a slot in the side of the case. So we're not talking a large expense, or even a nominal expense. There are consumers for whom its a deal breaker that it isn't there, and few of whom which won't buy a tablet if it has a card reading slot. By that reasoning I conclude that it only expands the market (and doesn't contract it) assuming a 5x markup cost->market (50 cents), Lets assume Google makes $150 in 'profit' per tablet, so selling one to me with a card reader pays for 299 (($150 / .5) - 1) card readers in tablets where the customer didn't care if it existed. 1/299 is 0.3%. So if adding a card reader expanded the sales by more than 0.3% it would be a net gain for Google. That seems pretty achievable.

Now lets talk about "but I never needed any more memory." (more of incision's point than yours) there are two benefits to a card, one is expandable space, but more is 'rapidly replaceable content' I can take a 16GB micro SD, or a 64GB SDXHC card, and swap it out in a 3 seconds. That is equivalent to a network between 5.3 and 21.3 GB per second (53 or 213 gbps) If I rip a few movies into a card to carry with me on the plane where there is no decent internet, and then when I arrive I can pop them out and put my books back in, or what ever content or app data that I need locally. That is a user model that may eventually change (although keeping a copy of a movie in the cloud to watch on your tablet probably gets you in trouble) but for now its being held hostage by a 10 cent connector.

[1] http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/656158231/ST9S008V4AR1500_...

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by jsnell on Friday October 26, 2012 @08:02PM (#4704811)
The cost is going to be larger than 10 cents since it'd expose the device to Microsoft's VFAT patents. That's about the last thing Google wants.

$150 in "profit" per tablet is beyond ridiculous. I have no idea of where you could pull a number like that from. The common wisdom is that the gross margin on Nexus hardware is around 0. Google's cut from what little content they manage to sell can't amount to much. And the incremental ad revenue from the average Android tablet user isn't going to be more than a few bucks a year either.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by ChuckMcM on Friday October 26, 2012 @09:42PM (#4705032)
"$150 in "profit" per tablet is beyond ridiculous. I have no idea of where you could pull a number like that from."

Fortunately for you I generally can show my reasoning on the things I put out there :-) In this case there was data from the Apple vs Samsung trial [1] which if you recall said 775k Galaxy Tab's generated 325M$ in revenue. Doing that math gives you about $448 per tablet in revenue. iSuppli calculated the original Galaxy Tab cost Samsung about $214 to make. That would suggest a gross profit in the neighborhood of $234 per tablet. I was assuming that there was some sort of "OS/License" fee on top of that which is why I didn't suggest it might be as high as $200 each.

[1] "Samsung sold 725,000 units and generated $325 million." - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57490740-37/samsung-tablet...

[2] "When the $9.35 manufacturing cost of the Galaxy Tab is added in, the combined materials and production cost amounts to $214.57." - http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/Samsung-Galaxy-T...

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by jsnell on Saturday October 27, 2012 @04:29AM (#4705730)
Sorry, I thought the discussion was about Nexus devices. The original Galaxy Tab wasn't exactly a cutting-edge device, and it was retailing for a significantly higher price than the iPad. Almost double the price for a long time after the launch. It's hardly surprising that the gross margin was high.

That's a very different case to the much more aggressive pricing used for the Nexus 7 (publically stated to be selling with no margins) and the Galaxy Nexus. And the new Chromebook too, come to think of it. I guess it's possible that they're switching strategies again. So yeah, if these are priced at $600, I'm sure there's a healthy margin on the few units they manage to sell. But until prices are announced, I see little reason to think that there is such a strategy change.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by jotux on Friday October 26, 2012 @09:41PM (#4705030)
>SD cards use a protocol called 'SPI'

While all SD cards are SPI-compatible no one really accesses them that way (it's way too slow). Almost all SD cards in electronics today use the proprietary SDIO bus.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by myko on Friday October 26, 2012 @04:47PM (#4704203)
Yeah, the 16GB option is a joke for anyone who plans on installing more than a couple of games on one of these things. The lack of SD card is boneheaded.
Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by incision on Friday October 26, 2012 @05:07PM (#4704286)
>The lack of SD card is boneheaded.

How so?

It seems the Nexus 7 and an entire lines of Apple devices have done just fine without expandable storage.

I certainly understand why folks want the option, but as demonstrated, being able to charge a premium for different tiers of internal storage works wonders for profit margins.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by myko on Friday October 26, 2012 @11:07PM (#4705208)
I have the Nexus 7 and as I replied to another comment it is extremely frustrating dealing with only 16GB of space. Being able to pop in a 32GB SD card would alleviate a lot of my issues, especially during travel.

This annoys me a bit less on my Galaxy Nexus as I don't typically install large games (> 1GB) on it.

Devices can do fine without expandable storage, sure - but it's an easy differentiator for Android to make, and is one of the reasons I bought into the platform to begin with.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by TazeTSchnitzel on Friday October 26, 2012 @06:20PM (#4704540)
No it's not. You could do fine with 8GB. I used to have a device with that capacity, and it had a lot of games on it.

Now I, on the other hand, have to deal with a (Samsung) android phone running Gingerbread, which with the Facebook app installed, and all Android updates installed, complains about having run out of internal storage.

Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by myko on Friday October 26, 2012 @11:04PM (#4705202)
I have the 16GB Nexus 7. Installing Batman (1.83GB), Horn(1.74GB), and Bard's Tale (3.5GB with best graphics) at the same time hits me pretty hard. It's pretty frustrating to shuffle apps just because I want to play a different game, especially when the downloads are in the GB.
Re:This is Google’s Nexus 10 by Samsung With Android 4.2 by TazeTSchnitzel on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:07AM (#4705921)
Apps are that big now? I guess it being a Tablet makes the filesizes huge.