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Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by strogonoff on Thursday February 12, 2026 @11:59AM (#46991304)
At its core, I believe the phenomenon of culture is intertwined with the hard problem of consciousness, which is notoriously circular and self-referential. Shared cultural baggage is perhaps the thing that makes us believe another being is conscious (i.e., shares similar aspects of self-awareness). Shared culture manifests itself in an infinity of fine details of one’s behaviour; looking like a human but not behaving like a human can be a great horror movie trope, depending on how carefully shared culture is violated[0]. Shared cultural baggage, for the lack of a better word, is behind how we approach the unknown (holistically, or by classifying and taxonomising things, and so on), which includes the very thing under discussion.

This carries over to animals, to a degree. A dog is social to an extent that many would consider it conscious. An octopus is legally recognised as sentient in some countries—thanks to it behaving in a way that is vaguely reminiscent of ourselves. Same reason we call ravens smart.

Most humans anywhere on the planet share enough cultural baggage that we do not question whether others have what we consider consciousness; though I think some people are more sensitive to how much shared cultural baggage another human possesses, the small lack of which could lead to fear, cautiousness, and/or a feeling that they are in some ways subhuman (closer than a dog, but not as human as their peers in local community) relative to them, which eventually contributes to racism and so on.

[0] Arguably, “behaving sufficiently like a human while being not human at all”, which we have plenty of examples of now in the last year or two, is another such trope.

Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by bwfan123 on Thursday February 12, 2026 @12:25PM (#46991792)
> culture is intertwined with the hard problem of consciousness

Majority of people are sleep-walking as machines driven by imitation, habit and external forces. We live in a dreamlike, mechanical state lacking the awareness of this itself. apropos: Gurdjieff

Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by strogonoff on Thursday February 12, 2026 @12:38PM (#46992044)
Very uncharitable and questionable on a few levels. Every human exists in context of society, no human exists standalone—the very definition of self, as in self-awareness, has the existence of other as a prerequisite. People you see are perfectly aware of themselves; it’s just that awareness of yourself does not mean you have to violate societal norms and show how individual you are all the time—at best, it requires a more acute awareness of norms (you have to know what to violate first, cf. all the various counter-cultures), making one more socially integrated and in some ways paradoxicay less individual; at worst (if you are properly disconnected) it makes one less of a human, not more.
Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by bwfan123 on Thursday February 12, 2026 @01:19PM (#46992749)
> People you see are perfectly aware of themselves

Are they rote-students imitating or copying memes and as such are driven by inadequate-ideas or are they students who understand the subject from its first assumptions and as such are driven by adequate-ideas. In the quote above, the suggestion is that majority are rote-students.

Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by strogonoff on Thursday February 12, 2026 @06:11PM (#46996607)
There’s a lot of ground between “imitate” and “understand the subject from its first assumptions”. Arguably, the former is how all learning happens at first. We imitate to get a taste for it and start enjoying it (humans are mirrors), then we can dig deeper if we become sufficiently interested. You can hardly become truly interested in music if you are presented with all the music theory up front and don’t get to have fun playing the instrument; same with math.

Even if someone never becomes sufficiently interested to dig deeper into some academic subject and sticks to imitating, I wouldn’t say they are somehow worse and have no awareness. They may have other interests and joys in life, there’s many fulfilling things outside academia. Why would you expect everybody to be like you?

Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by woooooo on Friday February 13, 2026 @07:11AM (#47001825)
There's definitely a scale for curiosity and self-inquiry. Some people actually have very little going on there.
Re:Culture Is the Mass-Synchronization of Framings by fwip on Thursday February 12, 2026 @05:25PM (#46996164)