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Re:iPad mini by untog on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @02:54PM (#4689697)
Any discussion involving the terms "apple hater" or "apple fanboy" immediately disappears into a hole of stupidity.

That said, Apple are inviting some of these comparisons. "More expensive", for example. The iPad Mini is more expensive than a Nexus 7, by a significant margin. Apple invited the comparison by comparing the two devices themselves on stage.

Re:iPad mini by sswezey on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @05:09PM (#4690357)
Not only is it more expensive, it has a lower resolution and a larger screen - for lower pixel density. They then compare it to a Nexus 7, saying the iPad mini has more resolution and viewing area... 1064x768 is in no way more than 1280x800. Granted the different apps for tablet/phone was more apparent in iOS, but for browsing (which they touted as a major use) the iPad mini looks worse. Their Guggenheim example had more visible space on the Nexus 7.
Re:iPad mini by jpxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:15PM (#4689851)
Google should be delighted. I've yet to find a "normal" who is aware that anyone else sells "iPads". And Amazon doesn't count, they sell "Kindles".

No amount of competitive marketing seems to have brought the two product families into competition beyond "well I heard the iPad has books too but my friend loves her Kindle".

Re:iPad mini by untog on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:21PM (#4689884)
I'm yet to find a "normal" that watches Apple Keynotes, though.
Re:iPad mini by bruceboughton on Wednesday October 24, 2012 @06:59AM (#4692397)
No but the iPad Mini was above-the-fold breaking news on the BBC news website before the keynote was even over.
Re:iPad mini by bennyg on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @06:57PM (#4690774)
You aren't on my Twitter timeline then.
Re:iPad mini by jpxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:32PM (#4689944)
Good point. :)
Re:iPad mini by sigzero on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:33PM (#4689957)
Why would Google be delighted? Because they have the "low end" wrapped up and make little profit margin?
Re:iPad mini by jpxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:38PM (#4689980)
Because Apple's mentioning their product in the same breath as iPad. It strongly argues that Apple is financially/strategically concerned enough with that form factor to risk mentioning the existence of competition.

I'm not sure why, given the sales of the "mini" form factor. I kind of suspect they're more concerned with positioning themselves against jumbo phones, which -are- selling in volume and have already invited a major design change in the iPhone line.

Re:iPad mini by enraged_camel on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @04:48PM (#4690272)
>>Because Apple's mentioning their product in the same breath as iPad. It strongly argues that Apple is financially/strategically concerned enough with that form factor to risk mentioning the existence of competition.

I don't know if this is necessarily the right conclusion.

Re:iPad mini by jpxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @05:05PM (#4690339)
I'm pretty good at being wrong. :) What do you think?
Re:iPad mini by ja27 on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @08:38PM (#4691079)
I constantly talk to "normals" that don't understand whether the iPad can run programs like their computer at home. I've seen a lot of iPhones with 5 or less downloaded apps: Facebook and a couple top casual games.
Re:iPad mini by jiggy2011 on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:25PM (#4689908)
Nobody else could sell a product called iPad without getting sued.
Re:iPad mini by jpxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @03:33PM (#4689962)
Yeah, but customers don't know that. "iPad" is the Kleenex of tablets.

The only reason the Galaxy Note gets a pass is because it's still mentally categorized as a big telephone.

Re:iPad mini by Adirael on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @05:45PM (#4690500)
Is it? I've never head any other than some very old people which doesn't know what a tablet or a computer is calling a random tablet an 'iPad'.
Re:iPad mini by Shivetya on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @04:58PM (#4690311)
Apple vs Google is the tablets akin to Microsoft vs Apple.

For me what it comes down to in the end is the same, which is easier to hand off to a relative and not worry about.

Answer : the iPad.

I provided many family members with PCs over the years all the while using Apple products. Why? Because I knew they could just pop into a local store and buy software for it. Because I knew Windows was common and they most likely had it at work. Because I knew if their machine had an issue either I could solve it quickly or Dell's support would. Heck Dell even sent someone to my parents house to fix the unit!

Well something similar is happening here. I know if I give them an iPad they won't be lacking for software. It is a packaged experience with a dearth of support.

So, yeah they cost a bit more upfront, but for me the lack of having to "fix" something is worth the premium. It also means they know what it is and understand the intrinsic value. If I hand them a Google Nexus the first questions will be to compare it to an iPad... and well, why bother.

Re:iPad mini by untog on Tuesday October 23, 2012 @06:57PM (#4690777)
Even phrasing it as "Apple vs Google" is counterproductive. In this example, we have two products. One is more expensive, but better built and with a larger software library. The other is cheaper, a little more plastic-y but with a better screen.

Neither is "better" than the other, it entirely depends on your circumstances- what you want your tablet to do, how much money you have, etc. etc.