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Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by hellohello2 on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @12:22PM (#46888614)
I'm not saying if the paper is correct or not (since I can't tell), but I don't think your argument really holds. Consider applying it to multiplication:

Fundamentally, multiplication need to look at every pair of integer from the two input numbers. It must be O(n^2); N digits looking at N other digits is quadratic. Any sub-quadratic multiplication must hence necessarily lose some information.

Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by actionfromafar on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @01:00PM (#46889184)
Doesn't that have to do with how many bits you allow in the actual calculation in physical reality?
Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by hellohello2 on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @02:03PM (#46890137)
Well, for multiplication complexity is defined in terms of on the number of digits/bits digits directly. For attention, complexity is defined on terms of the number of input vectors which are all at fixed precision. I don't understand what happens to the method proposed in the paper at higher precision (since I don't understand the paper), but in reality in doesn't matter since there is no value in anything over float16 for machine learning.
Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by logicchains on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @05:00PM (#46892438)
Multiplication has some properties like being cumulative. If we assume the sequence has any specific properties then we no longer have a general sequence model.
Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by direwolf20 on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @06:45PM (#46893593)
I think you meant commutative.

Attention also has some specific properties.

And sometimes results are just unexpected. Did you know that anything a Turing machine can do in t tome steps, a different Turing machine can do in O(sqrt(t log t)) memory cells? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44055347

Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by nine_k on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @09:02PM (#46894698)
Integer multiplication x * y can be trivially done in O(k): k = logâ‚‚(min(x, y)). This is because we can do addition in constant time, adding all bits in parallel.

By combining many more adding units, we can do (fixed-size) multiplication in constant time, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadda_multiplier

Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by sifar on Wednesday February 04, 2026 @09:16PM (#46894803)
Multiplication can be sub-quadratic using Karatsuba's algorithm.
Re:Attention at Constant Cost per Token via Symmetry-Aware T... by nullc on Friday February 06, 2026 @01:05AM (#46909652)
That is the poster's point!