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Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by chongli on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:09PM (#46866376)
China doesn't have flip-flopping like this with its attendant massive waste. Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by tehjoker on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:24AM (#46866854)
Yet somehow they've managed to eliminate extreme poverty and challenge the U.S. in GDP. Sounds like cope to me. They couldn't do that with extreme corruption like we tolerate in U.S. allies.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by monting on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:51AM (#46867026)
They "eliminated" extreme poverty caused by communist control in the first place, by going to a capitalist system.

There were tons of economic low-hanging fruits by building out large infrastructure projects, which corruption happily siphoned off of.

The ROI of these infra projects have been gone for a while, yet they continued. Also it's been stealing intellectual property, trade dumping, exporting deflation. Soaking up the manufacturing oxygen of everyone else through subsidies, elite capture, then using the leverage gained and veiled threats against others to force them to yield resources, market access and political control.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by aboardRat4 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:49AM (#46867862)
Emm... and what prevents the USA from doing all the same things?
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by monting on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:22AM (#46868129)
China benefited greatly from the US-led globalism order that's been going on since WWII.

Another way of saying it is China took the most advantage. And it has gone way overboard in taking advantage. So the backlash is expected and necessary.

Part of fixing things involve doing things that seem like it's destroying the order that the US created itself.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by bojan on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @04:32AM (#46868695)
Labour laws, for starters.

The conditions the average Chinese works in are abysmal, even from the American point of view.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by aboardRat4 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @11:16PM (#46881398)
Well, then you basically know what to do. Rescind those laws and become competitive again.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by viccis on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:55AM (#46867461)
More cope.

"They eliminated poverty... but at WHAT COST? They did good things but they trampled on the intellectual property of our beloved billionares? *sob*"

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by monting on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:55AM (#46867912)
The "good thing" they did, is stopping their actions which causes millions to starve. Which lead to people getting themselves out of poverty.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by hgomersall on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:50AM (#46868354)
Yeah, and whilst getting themselves out of poverty they built 50,000km of high speed rail.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by monting on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @04:43AM (#46868807)
By racking up debt of epic proportions, with no return on investment in sight.

All the while going into a demographic death spiral. Partly cause by the draconian 1-child policy, which attempted to fix the pronatalist policies of Mao.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by hgomersall on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @05:10AM (#46869016)
"debt"? You mean the balancing item from money creation? Question: To which bank does the government owe the liabilities created when it creates the money? (clue: the government owns it).
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by tokioyoyo on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @06:13AM (#46869472)
Nothing is really stopping other countries from doing the same, to be honest. People are just scared to give legitimacy to what China has done for their citizens in a very short amount of time, because that would be against their own beliefs and morals.

I'm not saying China is the best and whatever, just saying they've proven every "China is about to fall" headline that has been circulating around for the past 15 years. Maybe we should learn some things from them.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by monting on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:25AM (#46870680)
Debt is not fundamentally bad. But the financing has to be justified by positive return, be it in the service itself that makes money back to pay off the debt, or as a public good, returns in the form societal benefit as a result of the service.

When you have massive buildups with no hope of returns, it's a a bad financial decision and the public carries the debt burden.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by hgomersall on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @08:38AM (#46870821)
What is this debt? You didn't answer my question. Who's buying it and what choice do they have, and to whom is it owed ultimately?
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by viccis on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:58PM (#46877200)
>But the financing has to be justified by positive return

Pure BS

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by tokioyoyo on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @06:20PM (#46878835)
I’m not sure, because for every “China debt bad”, we see millions of people getting urbanized and living in upgraded environments.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by KptMarchewa on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @05:08AM (#46868996)
>They "eliminated" extreme poverty caused by communist control in the first place, by going to a capitalist system.

Not a fan of CCP but pretending like there was no extreme poverty in China before CCP is insane position.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:53AM (#46867037)
Why not?
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by pjc50 on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @06:24AM (#46869556)
China is literally going through an "anticorruption" purge of the PLA right now. Zhang Youxia et al. The corruption in China has a very different shape than in the US.

(not sure what you mean by "corruption we tolerate in US allies"?)

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by tehjoker on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @10:25AM (#46872126)
Do you know who the U.S. allies with and funds? Every right wing dictator and criminal gang on the planet. We just don't like independent nations and left wing factions.

There is extreme corruption in the U.S. as well, but we've legalized it so it disappears in statistics.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by FranklinJabar on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:40AM (#46866953)
> perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

This is notably an area where the US is massively crippled. States can manage many year projects easier, but the federal government must conceal all such projects behind defense spending. Even that is wildly mismanaged (see: all the canceled naval purchases over the last two decades, and we still have an outdated, if large, navy)

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by graemep on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @03:37AM (#46868245)
One of the reasons why "democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others".
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by dlisboa on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @07:05AM (#46869937)
There are countless examples of democracies with endemic corruption. Democracy is not a cure to it.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by graemep on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @07:18AM (#46870063)
Its not a cure, but if offers ways in which to cure corruption and allows people to challenge it.
Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by wolrah on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @12:41PM (#46874235)
> Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

We also have endemic corruption siphoning off funds all over the place, ESPECIALLY in the big projects that have the attention of the current administration.

Re:Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power constr... by int_19h on Friday February 06, 2026 @08:46PM (#46920501)
From the business perspective, endemic corruption is preferable. Generally speaking, on societies like that, you know exactly how much you need to pay to which people to get things moving, so it can be budgeted for predictably.