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Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by BryantD on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:21PM (#46864423)
I am only guessing but I'd be surprised if it was a money grab. My instinct is that it's a way of highlighting RealID citizenship verification.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by deepsun on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:40PM (#46864614)
RealID is unrelated to citizenship.

It's a proof of an address, akin to soviet-style "propiska", which was very important and hard to get without (it also affected ownership/inheritance).

What's more fun is that even though they accept different types of residence, they mostly trust utility bills -- but to set up utilities on your name even for your personal home utility company will ask a lot of documents, including credit score checks.

I personally felt that it's utility companies who do the heavy proof checking, not DMVs.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by raw_anon_1111 on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:49PM (#46864691)
My passport card is RealID compliant and doesn’t have my address anywhere on it.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by jacobgkau on Monday February 02, 2026 @07:53PM (#46864726)
It's hardly proof of address. At best, I'd say it's proof of state residency.

I've moved several times since getting my Colorado driver's license (a REAL ID). Technically, you are supposed to submit a change-of-address form to the DMV online within 30 days of moving. They don't send you a new card when you do that; the official procedure is to stick a piece of paper with your new address written on it to your existing ID yourself, and then just wait until your next renewal to actually get a card with the new address on it. The change of address form does not require utility bills or any other proof of the new address-- that's only required when you initially get the driver's license.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by deepsun on Monday February 02, 2026 @08:02PM (#46864822)
I certainly got a new plastic ID card within 2 weeks after filing the change-of-address form on DMV website, with a new address on it. They sent it to the new address. But mine was not RealID compliant (nor before nor after).
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by tavavex on Monday February 02, 2026 @09:15PM (#46865519)
I think the comparison to the propiska system is incorrect. This Soviet system heavily controlled internal migration and was what ultimately dictated where someone was permitted to live. You couldn't relocate without one, and having this permission was tied to all sorts of local services. This system anchored people to where they were, and usually barred them from moving unless they had a good reason to.

The US currently has freedom of movement. You don't need the government's permission to live somewhere or to move somewhere else. An ID with your address listed isn't propiska. At best, you could compare it to the 'internal passport' that the USSR and most post-Soviet countries had, which acted as a comprehensive identity document and was the ancestor to modern national ID cards that are used in many countries.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by paxys on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:26PM (#46866069)
Real ID/Drivers License being a proof of address is laughable. In my state (NY) they accept the following as proof of address for getting a new Real ID:

- Bank statement

- Pay stub

- Utility bill

- Any other state ID with the same last name, which I can claim is my parent or spouse.

I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed.

What they do NOT accept as proof of address:

- My passport

How does that make any sense?

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by hackyhacky on Monday February 02, 2026 @10:31PM (#46866108)
> What they do NOT accept as proof of address: > - My passport > How does that make any sense?

It makes sense because, if you look closely, you will see that your passport does not indicate your address.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by monksy on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:54AM (#46867452)
Doesn't matter, Passport is considered to be a real id.
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by what on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:18AM (#46867219)
> I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed.

Yes, but you’d have to be able to retrieve mail from that address?

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by kmoser on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:52AM (#46867890)
Why, when you can access your bill online and print it?
Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by monksy on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @01:53AM (#46867448)
> - Bank statement

> - Pay stub

> - Utility bill

It should be noted, and I don't understand why people aren't angry about this: Account numbers unredacted on the statements. The numbers are redacted the documentation gets rejected.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by BryantD on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:44PM (#46866620)
Citizenship or lawful status, sorry! And you’re right.

But it’s totemic when you dig into conspiracy theories about undocumented immigrants voting. RealID comes up a lot.

Re:The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal by poulsbohemian on Tuesday February 03, 2026 @02:03PM (#46875604)
>RealID is unrelated to citizenship.

Except that it appears one of the primary reasons this has become a thing is that the Feds are angry at states like Washington that don't verify citizenship when issuing driver's licenses. The whole point was that Washington (as an example) wanted to make sure people were able to get an identification and driving with a license (IE: some degree of documentation, had achieved some degree of driver's education and testing somewhere along the line...) regardless of their immigration status - and that pissed off the Feds. So it shouldn't be related to citizenship but that's part of how we got here.