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Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by collinmcnulty on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:14AM (#46857700)
That’s majorly moving the goalposts. Other than Saudi Arabia, I can’t think of any country in the world today that has more energy independence that you would get if you ran on renewables + battery + nuclear. You’d have years and years of buffer, compared to the US strategic oil reserve which has maybe a few months of buffer.
Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by delecti on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:20AM (#46857794)
The US is currently a net oil exporter, and has been for a few years.

Now of course that's not the whole picture, but if push came to shove, the US could achieve energy independence (at least technologically, if not poitically).

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by collinmcnulty on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:37AM (#46857998)
True, the US could supply all of its energy needs through great effort and by making its population pay much higher energy prices. In contrast, if a country were to build around e.g. solar, and then all countries that made the panels embargoed them, the price of electricity would merely stop falling.
Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by pfannkuchen on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:46AM (#46858107)
Why would it necessarily be more expensive?

The oil can be sold today profitably at today’s market rate.

If there stopped being from the outside competition for the oil, wouldn’t that roughly balance out stopping the supply of oil from the outside?

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by JumpCrisscross on Monday February 02, 2026 @01:31PM (#46859434)
> If there stopped being from the outside competition for the oil, wouldn’t that roughly balance out stopping the supply of oil from the outside?

In the short run, yes. In the long run you’d fuck up the economies of scale and profit incentives.

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by pfannkuchen on Monday February 02, 2026 @03:57PM (#46861432)
I think whether the economies of scale and profit incentives get fucked up depends on the size of the before and after markets we are talking about.

For these to collapse, I believe we would need the international market for US oil specifically to be substantially larger than the entire domestic market for any oil. Is that true?

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by JumpCrisscross on Monday February 02, 2026 @04:26PM (#46861817)
> we would need the international market for US oil specifically to be substantially larger than the entire domestic market for any oil

You just need U.S. producers to be insulated from international competition.

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by inglor_cz on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:20AM (#46857786)
Czechia is quite nuclear-friendly and yet we ran into a problem with nuclear fuel supply; you don't feed raw uranium into the reactor, you need specially designed fuel rods. Switching from Russian to American ones for our nuclear power plants took several years. We just finished doing so, and now there is a conflict between the US and the rest of the world as well. Lovely.

All solvable, all better than just running out of oil, but I wouldn't call the situation "independence", just "having a better buffer".

Re:Greenland tensions harden Europe's push for energy indepe... by Moldoteck on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:41AM (#46858053)
Didn't framatome started producing vver fuel elements?