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Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by ojbyrne on Thursday February 05, 2009 @10:20AM (#467952)
Meta-discussions were really the death of digg. Soon after come the "experiments."
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by icey on Thursday February 05, 2009 @10:46AM (#468017)
Unfortunately, the "experiments" have already arrived:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=465991

Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by joshwa on Thursday February 05, 2009 @11:09AM (#468071)
Again MetaFilter provides some guidance-- a separate silo for site meta-discussions (MetaTalk).
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by calambrac on Thursday February 05, 2009 @01:49PM (#468466)
Sorry, but I disagree. The death of digg is squarely at the hands of the trolls, spammers, and morons that flocked to the site like locusts.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by ojbyrne on Thursday February 05, 2009 @02:05PM (#468496)
Ok, I stand corrected. The meta-discussions were the _start_ of the death of digg.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by RiderOfGiraffes on Thursday February 05, 2009 @03:11PM (#468591)
No, you're confusing cause and effect. The arrival of the spammers and trolls led to the discussion of the long(er) timers over how to prevent it. The meta-discussion was the symptom, not the cause.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by ojbyrne on Thursday February 05, 2009 @03:24PM (#468614)
I don't think I am. There were meta-discussions very early on.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by calambrac on Thursday February 05, 2009 @04:51PM (#468801)
Kevin Rose was famous and pitched the site hard. The community started going downhill very early on.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by ojbyrne on Thursday February 05, 2009 @09:11PM (#469219)
Except that he didn't pitch the site hard at all for the first nine months (in fact he repeatedly denied being involved with it). And he wasn't all that famous (host of a dying show on a dying network). It was only after the VC money arrived that that started.
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by calambrac on Friday February 06, 2009 @12:41PM (#470019)
I'm obviously not going to argue with you over the history of digg, of course you're intimately familiar with that, but I felt like I got there pretty early, and I only personally got a couple of month's worth out of it before I felt it was overrun.

And I didn't mean to imply that he was actually famous, but he was certainly well-enough known among the target audience that having his name attached made a significant difference.

Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by ojbyrne on Friday February 06, 2009 @07:50PM (#470647)
Actually I'd love to argue with you - my memory is not perfect, and I'd love to hear other people's perceptions. What point in time were those couple of months?
Re:Ask HN: Would you pay $5/yr for HN? by cake on Thursday February 05, 2009 @11:02AM (#468054)
Exactly my opinion, so far so good, the posts are still of great interest for me.

What bothers me more is the increasing number of meta-talk.