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Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by zexodus on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @09:39AM (#46706325)
I'm so tired of these...

Is there really no way we can make it technologically impossible for them to exfiltrate user data?

Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by voxic11 on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @09:45AM (#46706412)
You can make it technologically impossible, but they can also come and arrest you just for using such technology. So its not really a technical problem, its a social/political one.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by unethical_ban on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @12:07PM (#46708413)
It needs to be done on both fronts.

Privacy-conscious apps and communications tools need to be developed, and we need to build the consensus that privacy is important.

Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by jMyles on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:18AM (#46706866)
Sure, but then they need to send a physical person, which is expensive and impossible to scale. Making it extremely expensive is probably good enough.

(Feels like we have this same discussion over and over on HN.)

Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by gmueckl on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @12:17PM (#46708560)
I don't understand this take. There is no real way in which a private person can make law enforcement "more expensive". The government can always find means as long as it is supported by a sufficiently big fraction of its people.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by xboxnolifes on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @02:00PM (#46709929)
1 person using encryption vs 1 million people using encryption.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by SauntSolaire on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @04:24PM (#46711768)
Sure, they won't go out and arrest all one million, but from an individual perspective it's basically security by obscurity.

Once that's the case, otherwise legal activities (e.g. protesting, or making political statements) run the risk of making you a target. Law enforcement can then punish you for your legal activity by selectively enforcing this other law.

The resulting situation is one where everyone knows to some extent "you better shut up if you know what's good for you", and puts a chilling effect on otherwise legal forms of civic engagement.

You might point out that there are already laws on the books that let them do this, but I'm sure they wouldn't mind another.

Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by rtkwe on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:45AM (#46707296)
I don't think there's a way with a phone that people would actually be willing to use. At some point it has to be decrypted to be displayed to the user and there's always the chance there's a flaw somewhere in the stack from hardware to OS to app etc that will have a gap to exfiltrate the data.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by mghackerlady on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:34AM (#46707123)
Avoiding centralised services is generally a good start. You could also do something like encrypt any messages through PGP even if the service you're using is already "e2e encrypted" like iMessage or signal
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by briandw on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @11:47AM (#46708142)
https://xkcd.com/538/ User data can only be as safe as the user.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by a_paddy on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @09:41AM (#46706357)
The problem is they'll legislate for the providers to insert back doors, negating cryptographic hardness.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by TingPing on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @09:46AM (#46706426)
They have to make custom software illegal at some point.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by digiown on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @11:50AM (#46708183)
They don't have to make it illegal. They can just create all kinds of barriers like only allowing government approved OSes for essential services, and then using custom software can become grounds for suspicion and subject you to searches, etc.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by thewebguyd on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @12:30PM (#46708710)
I'm certain this is the direction we are all heading, unfortunately.

Governments will sanction the major proprietary OSes and compel Apple, Google, Microsoft to participate in their surveillance programs, and those will have remote integrity attestation and will be the only hardware and software you will be able to use to access essential services and the internet as whole, most likely.

The usage of alternative software won't be outright illegal, but will get you on a watchlist. Like you said, they don't need to make other software illegal, just make circumventing the blocks illegal.

They can't arrest everyone, but, it's one more gray area thing that can and will be used against you should the government ever decide they have a bone to pick with you specifically so you can get away with it for a long time, until suddenly you don't.

Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by 0xTJ on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:01AM (#46706633)
Given how many of these stories have been coming out, I'm sure they're considering it.
Re:Ireland wants to give its cops spyware, ability to crack ... by anigbrowl on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @02:54PM (#46710699)
There are no technical solutions to human problems. This has been explained over and over again, most famously in Randall Munro's XKCD comic where the secret police resort to hitting someone with a $5 wrench until they give up the password.

If you're in a repressive state and you're worried about your data being exfiltrated the best security practice of all is not to create records of illegal activity. If you have to store such material, don't keep it on a communications device, put it on an external storage device, hide it somewhere outside your home, and don't tell anyone about it.