On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf]

Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 16, 2026 @08:00AM (#46645957)

You stopped too soon in your analysis. Why is there so much fear? Why is there more than, say, the 1980s? The 1970s? (Or was there this much fear then, too, and we just don't remember it that way?)

Is it basically economic? We had this amazing economic ride from 1945 through the early 1970s, and that gave a view of what life could be like that permeated society and gave hope, and the hope continued long past the growth. Now people are realizing that the hope is not likely to happen to them. Is the fear caused by realizing that the hope is in danger? (That hope is in danger in another way, too. People are realizing that, even if they get better economic circumstances, past a certain point prosperity is still kind of empty.)

Or is the fear manufactured? Is it part of the propaganda? Are we being made to feel afraid, so that we can have a crisis of democracy? So that more non-democratic leaders can take over?

Or is it something else?

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by _heimdall on Friday January 16, 2026 @09:03AM (#46646425)

I'm not claiming why people or afraid today, whether its manufactured, or by whom. Honestly those are interesting details to the story but not fundamentally important in the middle of the fear crisis.

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 16, 2026 @11:06AM (#46647953)

If the fear is being manufactured, I'd say that is definitely important in the middle of the fear crisis.

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by _heimdall on Friday January 16, 2026 @11:24AM (#46648191)

If it can specifically help to reverse course on the level of collective fear, yeah that may help. Though there is the risk there that high levels of fear may lead people to lash out at anyone singled out as the cause of panic or fear.

I'd argue that dealing with the fear itself is more important, and safer, in the moment. Knowing and understanding the cause is more useful, and safer to deal with, after the panic or fear has subsided.

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 16, 2026 @11:31AM (#46648296)

How are you going to get it to subside, without dealing with the cause? If the fear is being manufactured, you aren't going to get out of the crisis until whoever is causing it relents and stops.

I mean, you could say "we're going to deal with this by teaching people not to be afraid of this stuff", but why not do interrupt the source as well?

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by _heimdall on Friday January 16, 2026 @02:33PM (#46651025)

Interrupting the source can work, I'm not saying that wouldn't help. I'd liken it to trauma care, sometimes you do need to just stop the bleeding first.

My point there was only that its risky. I see the risk on two fronts, in the moment its hard to recognize the root cause and there are some people who will take advantage of the fear to point "the mob", as it were, at the wrong cause for their own gain.

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Re:On Being a Human Being in the Time of Collapse (2022) [pdf] by mikkupikku on Friday January 16, 2026 @09:33AM (#46646725)

Emergent phenomenon, from the intrinsic dynamics of cable news. The medium is the message, and this medium requires around the clock 24/7 attention getting, which changes the way stories are reported, regardless of what the stories are. Internet news inherited much of this, and newspapers too then adapted for constant rather than daily/weekly updates.

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