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Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by burkaman on Friday January 09, 2026 @05:36PM (#46560413)
I am not saying it's impossible for rights to be taken away, I am arguing against this statement:

> If you can't defend yourself against that then you have no rights.

I do not own a gun and I have no fighting skills, so I cannot defend myself against men with guns. Would you agree that I therefore have no rights?

I think that you and the original poster are seeing the situation "you are vulnerable to potentially losing rights in the future", which is true, but conflating that with "you have no rights". It's like telling a rich person "you actually don't have any money" because it's possible they might be robbed someday.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by pixl97 on Friday January 09, 2026 @07:16PM (#46561225)
>Would you agree that I therefore have no rights?

You have the right to vote, if you lose that right, and you don't have a gun after that you have whatever 'rights' that are provided to you by a dictator.

One of the things you're missing here is the idea of herd immunity. While you won't fight for your rights, theoretically someone else will making taking your rights dangerous. Once enough people won't fight for their rights, or enough of the population gathers together to take your rights, you lose your rights.

Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by pmontra on Friday January 09, 2026 @11:51PM (#46562885)
I believe that in this conversation one party is saying that people have intrinsic rights (see the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) and the other party might agree on that but they say that those rights can be enforced only if they can be defended. Example: both parties probably agree that people have a right to free speech but nevertheless people end up in jail if they attempt free speech on the wrong subject in the wrong country.
Re:Cloudflare CEO on the Italy Fines by duskdozer on Saturday January 10, 2026 @06:31AM (#46564808)
Philosophically, no. Practically, no, as long as someone desires and is able to defend them, otherwise yes.