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Re:The Post-American Internet by mk89 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:03AM (#46509802)
I think nobody in the EU believes that America is the country of freedom and privacy and anonymity. (Boolean and)

I guess what the OP meant is that in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA, not because they don't have data about you, but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

Twitter, Tiktok, etc could never be created in the current EU.

Re:The Post-American Internet by ben_w on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:14AM (#46509880)
> because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass.

It exists, but it is being selectively ignored by those in charge. Don't assume it will automatically defend you, especially not pre-emptively:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/politics/retired-cop-jail...

https://www.thefire.org/news/lawsuit-fire-challenges-unconst...

Re:The Post-American Internet by evrenesat on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:55AM (#46510129)
Since they can operate in EU, I don't see why they can't be made in EU. There are well known disadvantages that prevents emergence of SV style startups, but I'd argue even that is a good thing.
Re:The Post-American Internet by watwut on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:04AM (#46510184)
USA does not have strong constitutional rights. It has constitutional rights with zero teeth, little to no judicial backing and about thousands convoluted loopholes that ensure they dont apply to you.

And when, rarely, they do apply, you get no restitution or relief.

Re:The Post-American Internet by close04 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:11AM (#46510217)
> in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA

Is there any significant difference where the law gives you fewer rights in the EU in this regard? Very unlikely that in the EU some SWAT team will knock down your door because someone anonymously told them on the phone you're dangerous, kill you, and suffer no consequences.

> but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass

Other than the right to have guns, which keeps everyone happy and gives the SWAT team a legitimate reason to go in guns blazing I'm having a hard time finding some right that isn't routinely subject to some major exception. Especially when you ultimate authority on the constitution is staffed by yes-men.

Re:The Post-American Internet by immibis on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:49AM (#46510092)
Sure they could. You'd just have to answer subpoenas when the police are trying to identify a user, same as in the USA.

You might get a few more of them. Recently a bunch of French people received jail time for repeatedly posting how the president was a pedophile and his wife was a man. Because, you know, harassment is illegal in many European countries. But the only obligation by the service provider, if asked, would be to delete the posts and give the user's IP address.

The EU Digital Services Act is actually a much wider liability shield than the USA's Section 230.

Re:The Post-American Internet by mk89 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @08:48AM (#46512177)
The second paragraph is exactly why people don't trust when a platform is based in EU.

I never heard of American presidents going after individuals on Twitter or other platforms. Neither Obama, nor Biden and also not Trump who is receiving so much hatred and bad words, without even touching the assassination attempt. Which is probably the only reason why they threatened to go after people, but that seems to be understandable - and I think that's the line you should not cross in a forum/platform.

The mindset is completely different.

Re:The Post-American Internet by immibis on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @10:50AM (#46513830)
Europeans are generally okay with bullying and harassment being illegal.
Re:The Post-American Internet by mk89 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:14PM (#46516177)
We should not mix random unknown person being bullied online with VIPs or politicians being made fun of.

Even during the Roman Republic people could make fun of or heavily insult politicians, and also with ugly things that we could never say today. Even Julius Caesar was mocked heavily (the famous "every woman's man and every man's woman")

...unsurprisingly, this changed when the Republic ended and the Empire started.

And here we're today thinking about our sensitive politicians :)

Re:The Post-American Internet by iamnothere on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @02:56PM (#46517731)
Exactly, the right to mock one’s rulers should be considered fundamental in a modern society. It’s part of the price of power and an important release valve for social tensions.
Re:The Post-American Internet by immibis on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @04:03PM (#46532737)
In a lot of European countries you don't have the right to mock anyone.
Re:The Post-American Internet by PeterStuer on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:38AM (#46510389)
Netlog was a pretty successful attempt outside the US though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netlog
Re:The Post-American Internet by happymellon on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @08:26AM (#46511938)
Tiktok was also not created in the current US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok

Re:The Post-American Internet by dep_b on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @09:05AM (#46512375)
“In the EU” only because some countries might have individual laws, unless you have more information about the EU specifically causing that?

The country with the worst “bad opinion, police comes knocking” is the recently seceded UK.

And I guess Germany has something against nazism?