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Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by rayiner on Sunday January 04, 2026 @09:01PM (#46494535)
I'm not making a culture war point, I'm comparing philosophies in secular terms. It just so happens that, in America, religious people tend to focus on abstinence and secular people tend to focus on responsible enjoyment.

Most American denominations do not treat food as sinful, so the prevalence of fat religious Americans isn't a rebuttal to my point. If you look at denomations that do, the statistics are quite remarkable. Mormonism, for example, is a remarkable cultural technology: https://www.deseret.com/2010/4/13/20375744/ucla-study-proves....

Another example would be New England congregationalists, who have an ethos that "food is for fuel, not for enjoyment." We have many retirees from that demographic in my town and they're all unusually thin and healthy.

Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by kelipso on Sunday January 04, 2026 @09:19PM (#46494642)
Another example, the Seventh-day Adventists, even studied for their longevity.
Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by toasterlovin on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:05AM (#46495775)
FWIW, Mormons and New England Congregationalists are essentially offshoots of the same ethnic group (Puritans), so there may be a genetic confound.
Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by ajam1507 on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:30PM (#46502675)
This ignores the cost of living as a mormon for 85 years
Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by rayiner on Monday January 05, 2026 @06:27PM (#46506648)
According to Pew, Mormons are happier too: https://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2025/06/are-latter-day....

Utah is also ranked #1 in upward mobility in the country: https://www.archbridgeinstitute.org/social-mobility-in-the-5....

So healthier, happier, and with more economic opportunities. All from a group of religious minorities who live in a desert with no natural resources. Quite remarkable.

Re:I changed my personality in six weeks by 5upplied_demand on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @05:15PM (#46533880)
> who live in a desert with no natural resources. Quite remarkable.

Almost as remarkable as your ability to completely invent something, and then present as a fact. It is similar to how you claimed Trump has a concrete policy of abandoning unfounded foreign policy engagements 2 weeks before he invaded Venezuela on charges the DOJ now admits were fake [0].

The state itself debunks your claim, from geology.utah.gov: "Utah has abundant and diverse energy resources including conventional fossil fuels, unconventional oil shale and oil sand resources, and areas suitable for renewable resource development" [1].

Site selection magazine also disagrees [2].

Utah Business disagrees, too, specifically: "Utah is blessed with abundant natural resources, many of which have played a critical role in shaping our economy" [3].

Another one: "In 2019, Utah remained one of the top 10 U.S. states for metals and industrial minerals production, with continued active exploration" [4].

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/trump-venezuela-drug-c...

[1] https://geology.utah.gov/energy-minerals/

[2] https://siteselection.com/got-minerals/

[3] https://www.utahbusiness.com/thought-leadership/2023/07/17/u...

[4] https://naturalresources.utah.gov/dnr-newsfeed/utah-one-of-t...