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Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by greenavocado on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:23PM (#46480477)
"This paper we wrote shows the legal justification for the kidnapping, so the kidnapping we performed is completely legal."
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by BobbyJo on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:36PM (#46480623)
Well, in this case, yes. This is the trouble with growing executive power, they can indeed give themselves permission.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by blurbleblurble on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:05PM (#46480981)
They don't have jurisdiction over another country that's not how this works
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by carlosjobim on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:49PM (#46481387)
Reality is reality. There is only one reality and the man is on the ship. No matter what you think. Reality is "how this works".
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by el_jay on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:09PM (#46483251)
Indeed, why bother having states of law at all? Jungle law works well enough in reality.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by carlosjobim on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:23PM (#46483368)
You believe in something which has never existed and will never exist. In international relations, there has never been anything besides "might is right". Anything else is an illusion. At most something that leaders pay lip service to, when it aligns with their own goals.

The law of the jungle is reality. World War II was won by terror bombing civilians. It is lamentable, but reality is reality. So to say "that's not how it works" is denying reality.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by el_jay on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:33PM (#46483854)
“Never”? Not once in the Story of Us has any dispute between large groups of humans been resolved by anything other than a superior application of brute force? Strong claim, but I’ll run with it.

And you appear to believe this is a pretext for humans to ignore their own laws and commit atrocities, when they could choose otherwise.

It may be reality that jungle law is currently how humans almost always handle conflict at nation-state scale. Non sequitur that it should remain so.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by BobbyJo on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:51PM (#46483971)
No one is claiming that humans should be at war with, or rely on violence to assert authority over, one another.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by 1718627440 on Sunday January 04, 2026 @09:37AM (#46488345)
Just because something is happening doesn't mean it's according to the law or even morally justified. We are discussing whether it is lawful, not whether it actually happened or whether they are capable of doing it with or without consequences.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by BobbyJo on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:12PM (#46483280)
I would love to live in a world where every government was democratically elected by an informed populace and never tried to assert authority outside it's borders.

> not how this works

When you say this, what exactly are you referring to?

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by lostmsu on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:50PM (#46481389)
Every arrest is a kidnapping.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by Lionga on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:41PM (#46480706)
That is how any legal system works, just to be clear.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by blurbleblurble on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:04PM (#46480968)
That's not how the international legal system works
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by XenophileJKO on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:51PM (#46482013)
I mean to be fair.. the "international legal system" generally doesn't really work. It only works when governments think it works for them.

This usually means weaker (militarily/economically) countries banding together to hopefully provide some dis-incentives for strong arming.

It only works until someone calls the bluff.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by ChrisGreenHeur on Saturday January 03, 2026 @05:22PM (#46482333)
what is "the international legal system"?
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by phyalow on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:33PM (#46480598)
Unfortunately thats how the politics and economics of violence work when you are the most powerful country in the world (n.b. I am not American and think this situation is deplorable, but the legal facts and construction support Trump’s actions)
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by blurbleblurble on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:05PM (#46480975)
No they do not