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Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by Jem on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @05:14PM (#464790)
The original example in the original post complained about not being able to swap the center and side columns, I didn't feel that the header was relevant. However, I could create additional examples if necessary.

Ref: real world - agree totally. However, as I said earlier today ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=463712 ) you can't blame CSS for the flaws in IE.

Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by eli on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @05:25PM (#464806)
The thing I think a lot of people are missing is that I don't care whose fault it is.

As a designer, I just need my sites to work in the real world (where 1/3 of my traffic is IE6). I'm not placing any blame, but if it doesn't work in IE6 then it doesn't work for me.

Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by axod on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @05:57PM (#464880)
How about you create a full solution...

  * valign works
  * cells are equal heights, dependent on contents
  * if width of contents is too big, cells adjust and display it best they can
Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by Jem on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @05:59PM (#464883)
I wish :)
Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by axod on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @06:03PM (#464893)
Then css is not useful for a lot of layout :/
Re:Don't Blame CSS For Your Incompetence by Jem on Tuesday February 03, 2009 @06:05PM (#464900)
Hence why this was not intended to be a justification of CSS, just a disagreement with one specific point.

I'll let the likes of Eric Meyer etc defend the rest of it. I'm sure they know more about it than I do anyway.