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Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by aantix on Thursday October 11, 2012 @12:56AM (#4639467)
Care to expand on this?
Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by hkhanna on Thursday October 11, 2012 @01:33AM (#4639579)
State and municipality bonds are sort of like U.S. Treasury bonds, except they're issued by a state or local government. They pay a fixed interest rate, but your interest is usually tax-free.

Of course, they pay a lower interest rate than taxable bonds. Thus, the only reason these tax-free bonds would be better than taxable bonds is if you are in a high enough marginal tax bracket to compensate for the difference in interest between these tax-free bonds and taxable bonds.

An example should make this all clear. Assume you have a marginal tax rate of 40%. (You earn a lot of money.) If you invest $100,000 in a typical taxable bond that pays 10%, each year you will get $10,000. But subtract out the 40% tax, and you are left with only $6,000 after-tax.

Compare this with what would happen if you invested that same $100,000 in a tax-free state bond. This bond only pays 8%, being tax-free and all. Each year you get $8,000. But you pay no tax, so you are in fact better off than if you had bought the taxable bonds!

Now, lets change your marginal tax bracket to 10%--you don't earn much money, so your marginal rate is low. You invest that same $100,000 in the taxable bond that pays 10%, you will get $10,000 pre-tax but only pay your marginal rate, 10%, on that sum, so you are left with $9,000.

With the tax-free state bond at 8%, you only get $8,000, though you don't pay any tax on it. So at your low marginal rate, you would have been better off buying the taxable bond.

My point is, tax-free bonds are probably only useful if you earn a lot of income each year to put you in a high marginal rate.

Source: I'm a law student and we learned about tax-exempt state/municipal bonds today in Tax!

Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by nlh on Thursday October 11, 2012 @01:55AM (#4639648)
Excellent explanation - thank you for the write-up!

Now if only we could find those muni bonds that pay 8% ;)

Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by curiouscats on Thursday October 11, 2012 @02:54AM (#4639790)
True. Just wait, it will happen eventually. But until then, sadly, decent income producing investments (bonds and the like) are not easy to find.
Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by brianobush on Thursday October 11, 2012 @01:27AM (#4639558)
Municipal bonds, loans to your local government are free of taxes (both state and fed). I have excess cash that would normally be in certificate of deposit in muni bonds currently making 3% tax free. There are risks, best to consult with a money manager if you are uncertain on how to gauge the associated risks.
Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by nandemo on Thursday October 11, 2012 @04:07AM (#4639944)
Indeed, municipal bonds are much riskier than good ol' Treasuries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/business/municipal-bonds-d...

Re:Ask HN: Your best passive income sources? by brianobush on Friday October 19, 2012 @11:25PM (#4676277)
The key is diversity; I use municipal bond funds and have had great success and much more income than from treasuries.