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Re:IT needs to get over its cloud denial, or management will... by anamax on Monday February 02, 2009 @12:37PM (#462566)
> The Cloud is not always cost efficient: The Cloud is only cost efficient up to the point where you can afford to fill a server person's time. Once that happens having a full time server person becomes more cost effective.

Actually, it's a server team's time. Server persons sleep, go on vacation, and so on.

As the tools get better, that "amount to fill" keeps getting larger and larger.

And, what are the odds that your team is as good as Amazon's?

That said, your team cares about your stuff more than Amazon's team does.

Re:IT needs to get over its cloud denial, or management will... by sokoloff on Monday February 02, 2009 @08:11PM (#463278)
> And, what are the odds that your team is as good as Amazon's?

S3 was down unscheduled more in 2008 than we were. (I only know about their major published widely outages, and know about all of ours that lasted more than 15 seconds.)

I realize that's not a perfect indicator, maybe it was an especially bad year for S3/good year for us, nor is their app apples-to-apples against ours, but one of the primary reasons we CAN'T afford to go even to S3 for "cheap" file storage is that it represents a serial reliability problem: both "them" and "us" have to be up for us to make money.

When we price it out, the 3-year fully burdened cost of our in-house storage vs S3 pricing is about a wash. (It's 5-10% in favor of in-house, but I'm sure we're not perfectly fairly accounting for all the tiny costs [someone has to file purchase orders, do shipping/receiving, calculate depreciation and file tickets to let EMC techs into our DCs to replace failed drives, etc, etc] in our model, but that is after accounting for the IT team dedicated to storage and the on-call rotation portion allocated to storage.)

If we were a lot smaller, it would be a no-brainer to try to use cloud services where it made sense, but as Tom said and anamax clarified, once you're at scale and have access to good IT staff in-house, the cloud offerings are not particularly compelling cost-savings measures.

(Edit: I should perhaps clarify. We do use S3 now, in production, for one of our offerings that is not core to our business, and one for which an arbitrary 8 hours of downtime would not present a problem. We also built two years ago the ability to overflow our bulk/cold image uploads to S3 if we run out of space on our in-house storage. Here again, if we suddenly find ourselves having substantial unforecast demand, it's better to go out to a third party than to turn customers away because the disk is full.

99.90% is >>> 0.00%. :) )

Re:IT needs to get over its cloud denial, or management will... by TomOfTTB on Monday February 02, 2009 @12:39PM (#462569)
Fair enough on the team concept. Though I think you could get by with one server person when you have a technical staff that could fill in during vacations et al. But you're right, it certainly requires more than one.