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Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by CamperBob2 on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:34PM (#46247153)
When asked how to falsify their assertion, perhaps by explaining what exactly is "thinking" in the human brain that can and/or will be possible to emulate...

... someone else points out that the same models that can't "think" are somehow turning in gold-level performance at international math and programming competitions, making Fields Medalists sit up and take notice, winning art competitions, composing music indistinguishable from human output, and making entire subreddits fail the Turing test.

Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by Terr_ on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:36PM (#46247162)
A couple decades of chess programs nods knowingly: "First time?"
Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by CamperBob2 on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:43PM (#46247228)
A couple decades of chess programs nods knowingly: "First time?"

Uh huh. Good luck getting Stockfish to do your math homework while Leela works on your next waifu.

LLMs play chess poorly. Chess engines do nothing else at all. That's kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say?

Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by ben_w on Friday December 12, 2025 @02:09PM (#46247551)
> That's kind of a big difference, wouldn't you say?

To their utility.

Not sure if it matters on the question "thinking?"; even if for the debaters "thinking" requires consciousness/qualia (and that varies), there's nothing more than guesses as to where that emerges from.

Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by gowld on Friday December 12, 2025 @03:44PM (#46248675)
Terr_ was agreeing with you and highlighting how old the debate is.
Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by Terr_ on Friday December 12, 2025 @04:06PM (#46248951)
Highlighting, yes, agreeing, no.

For my original earlier reply, the main subtext would be: "Your complaint is ridiculously biased."

For the later reply about chess, perhaps: "You're asserting that tricking, amazing, or beating a human is a reliable sign of human-like intelligence. We already know that is untrue from decades of past experience."

Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by CamperBob2 on Friday December 12, 2025 @05:06PM (#46249577)
You're asserting that tricking, amazing, or beating a human is a reliable sign of human-like intelligence.

I don't know who's asserting that (other than Alan Turing, I guess); certainly not me. Humans are, if anything, easier to fool than our current crude AI models are. Heck, ELIZA was enough to fool non-specialist humans.

In any case, nobody was "tricked" at the IMO. What happened there required legitimate reasoning abilities. The burden of proof falls decisively on those who assert otherwise.

Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by nh23423fefe on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:43PM (#46247227)
god of the gaps
Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by CamperBob2 on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:45PM (#46247260)
Exactly. As soon as a model does something it "wasn't supposed to be able to do," two gaps open up on either side.
Re:Secondary school maths showing that AI systems don't think by nutjob2 on Friday December 12, 2025 @01:44PM (#46247249)
Computers can perform math and numerous other tasks billions of times faster than humans, whats your point?

This is exactly the problem. Claims about AI are unfalsifiable, thus your various non-sequiturs about AI 'thinking'.