In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop in pollution

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:42AM (#46219949)

That source is Europe, not New York. It claims EV's are 24% heavier than ICE vehicles. That might be true in Europe but definitely not the case in the US where the average ICE vehicle is a 6000 pound truck and the average EV is a 4000 pound Tesla.

It also assumes they're using the same tires. EV owners put on EV tires, which are formulated to have a lower rolling resistance, quieter and last longer. All 3 of those correlate with lower dust.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by ericbarrett on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:57AM (#46220149)

New York City has a more European balance of cars versus light trucks than most of the USA. Not easy to park a modern American pickup in any bourough except maybe Staten Island. Source: lived there

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by Jon_Lowtek on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:14PM (#46220398)

Table 2 in the paper lists which cars where compared, and that 24% numbers is an average from comparing models where manufacturers offer EV and ICE variants.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by bluGill on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:58AM (#46220177)

The subject here is New York City where I would expect people are less like to drive the heavy ICE vehicles (unless they are doing some that needs such a large vehicle).

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by awongh on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:45AM (#46219998)

But a 6000 pound truck doesn't get replaced with an EV sedan. Or vice versa. As things move to EV I don't know why the proportion of car body types (whatever you call this) wouldn't stay the same.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:50AM (#46220052)

Yes, but that 24% increase in Europe is partly due to increase in vehicle size. Vehicle size is increasing over time in Europe, and the average EV is newer.

Also, cars designed as pure EV's are a lot lighter than EV's built on an ICE chassis.

A Telsa 3 is about 2% heavier than a BMW 3 whereas a Ford Lightning is 20% heavier than the comparable F-150.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by Jon_Lowtek on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:19PM (#46220470)

the 24% increase has nothing to do with car size over time in europa.

Table 2 in the paper lists which cars where compared, and that 24% numbers is an average from comparing models where manufacturers offer EV and ICE variants.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by fullstop on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:10PM (#46220355)

> As things move to EV I don't know why the proportion of car body types (whatever you call this) wouldn't stay the same.

It's the same problem as giant phones. They make them this way in order to fit a bigger battery in.

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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by donkyrf on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:44PM (#46220838)

People are not cross-shopping the Model 3 with a full-size pickup truck. They're cross-shopping against Camry, Accord, BMW 3, etc...

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