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Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by skeeter2020 on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:08PM (#46153786)
>> But for lack of playing such games, I saw my children’s opportunities slip away.

Examples? I most certainly don't play these games and believe my kids are further along in developing the most valuable, lasting characteristic: grit. So many things in life require you to grind, and the only way to gain this is to practice.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by serf on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:13PM (#46153860)
>So many things in life require you to grind, and the only way to gain this is to practice.

getting a kid who doesn't deserve entry to pass a prestige university with as little effort as possible is an effort to short-circuit that concept.

many games to play in this world.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by drivebyhooting on Thursday December 04, 2025 @05:23PM (#46153977)
Children were passed up for elementary school admissions. Whereas the schmoozers and their kids got in.

I can’t provide proper education and practice. There is no grit or grind. They’re just falling further and further behind the ones who actually got access to good schools and teachers.

One who tested highly gifted (145 IQ) after years of educational neglect now tests at 120. It’s pathetic. And even if I spend all my time and money I cannot reverse the decline.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by sleazebreeze on Thursday December 04, 2025 @07:11PM (#46155148)
Schmoozers learned grit and grind? That's opposite of my experience and observations.

What role do you play in the educational neglect? I am not sure I understand the decline here.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by drivebyhooting on Thursday December 04, 2025 @07:45PM (#46155440)
145 -> 120 IQ decline

Because I can’t access good schools and teachers. Because I didn’t schmooze to the admissions directors and other gate keepers.

I should’ve worn better clothes, driven a Porsche, and displayed the right shibboleths. Except that even now I’m too immature and stupid to know what they are.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by diogenescynic on Thursday December 04, 2025 @10:11PM (#46156475)
>Except that even now I’m too immature and stupid to know what they are.

This is the bigger problem, not the type of car or clothes you drive. I dress like a schlub and drive a Toyota and don't feel any of the social pressures you're talking about. I think it's in your head.

>145 -> 120 IQ decline

You're also putting way way too much emphasis on this test. The methodology of IQ tests is also entirely questionable. I'd hardly be judging myself as a parent based on this.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by BeetleB on Thursday December 04, 2025 @10:18PM (#46156503)
> I think it's in your head.

It may be, but it also could be the community/town he lives in. I certainly do know schools where you need to play games to get admission, and dressing like a schlub would exclude you (which is fine, given I have alternatives - he perhaps doesn't).

> The methodology of IQ tests is also entirely questionable. I'd hardly be judging myself as a parent based on this.

Fully agree on ignoring the IQ (why would one even get it tested?)

However, I suspect he does see other signals of decline, and sees those who went to the school achieve more.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by BeetleB on Thursday December 04, 2025 @07:45PM (#46155445)
> What role do you play in the educational neglect?

Not the person you're responding to, but that's uncalled for.

There are many variables that go into a child's development. The parents are merely one of them. They can do their best and things can still go south.

Re:Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're di... by lurking_swe on Thursday December 04, 2025 @10:40PM (#46156623)
from my understanding of educational outcomes, the BIGGEST factor in a child’s success in school is their home life. At least for K-12. Multiple studies come to this conclusion.

Obviously “home life” encompasses many things like parental involvement, stability of family relationships, socioeconomic status, etc. And it’s not the only factor of course.

So the question is hardly uncalled for IMO. Could have been worded in a less accusatory tone though! The person was pretty rude.