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Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by unalone on Sunday February 01, 2009 @03:35PM (#461303)
Why would a human, but not an AI, be able to do that?

Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with.

AI's cannot read literature?

John Cage would read Finnegans Wake, draw lines up and down pages, and derive poems from words formed by what his line would hit. A computer would never think to do that on its own. There's a fine line between genius and insanity, it is said - and computers can't be insane.

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by bd on Sunday February 01, 2009 @05:08PM (#461470)
Because AI operates according to structures that have been designed by human hands. The human mind is incomprehensibly more complex than any AI. So you could make AI that does innovate, but its innovations would still be far more predictable and routine than any that a human mind could come up with.

Not necessarily. Using evolutionary approach, AI can come up with innovations on par (and possibly even beyond) to what humans could do:

http://www.genetic-programming.com/humancompetitive.html

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by likpok on Sunday February 01, 2009 @11:19PM (#461857)
The biggest issue with this contention is that no one knows how far AI can go. Furthermore, I posit that there are people who will never accept what AI does, viewing it as always lesser to human development. Someone (I don't remember who) quipped, "What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do".
Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by gravitycop on Monday February 02, 2009 @06:05AM (#462139)
"What is AI? Whatever a computer can't do".

One implication seems to be that the human brain is itself not a computer.

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by unalone on Monday February 02, 2009 @08:56AM (#462257)
It's not, in the sense that you're talking about. We don't operate through a vast system of yesses and nos. We're not just a huge binary cloud, in other words. And nobody's entirely certain just how we work.

Comparing us to computers is really ignoring most of the limitations of computers, and invites far to simplistic - and inaccurate - a comparison.

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by gravitycop on Monday February 02, 2009 @09:18AM (#462277)
[The human brain is not a computer] in the sense that you're talking about.

Is the human brain a machine? 71 hits for: http://blogsearch.google.com?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22

8,400 hits for: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22brain+is+a+machine%22

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by unalone on Monday February 02, 2009 @10:21AM (#462360)
On the same note, 68 results for "government caused 9/11". People blogging doesn't make something a reality.
Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by gravitycop on Monday February 02, 2009 @10:34AM (#462379)
blogging doesn't make something a reality.

That implication was not intended. The search links were intended as food for thought.

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by unalone on Monday February 02, 2009 @10:59AM (#462421)
Ah! Gotcha.

I think that "human as machine" has some interesting implications, but I think that by the time we make machines as complex and sophisticated as ourselves, they won't be machines any longer. If I see a machine that's organic and that has a superpowerful mind, I won't think it's a machine anymore.

Re:Microsoft Songsmith a Youtube Hit Machine by gravitycop on Monday February 02, 2009 @11:09AM (#462438)
I think that by the time we make machines as complex and sophisticated as ourselves

Making of wetware was not intended to be implied.

If I see a machine that's organic

One of these?: http://images.google.com/images?q=flower Was that a Yes or a No?