Re:Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead op...
by comp_raccoon on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:42AM
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Olmo author here! Your are absolutely spot on on
> It was impossible for me to actually fact-check any of the claims in the response based on the matched training data.
this is true! the point of OlmoTrace is to show that even the smallest phrases generated by a langue model are a product of its training data. It’s not verification; a search system doing post hoc checks would be much more effective
Re:Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead op...
by turnsout on Friday November 21, 2025 @01:28PM
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Thanks for the reply! Olmo is fascinating, and beyond the traceability aspect, I really appreciate that you all are releasing true open source models complete with data, training code and weights.
I was too dismissive in my comment—even if it's going to be a longer journey, the first step is still tremendously valuable. Thank you!
Re:Olmo 3: Charting a path through the model flow to lead op...
by lukan on Friday November 21, 2025 @11:26AM
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"What could be interesting is if the user could dynamically exclude certain training sources before the response is generated."
Yes and also add new ressources on the fly. Unfortunately that requires retraining every time you do, so not really possible, but if you find a way .. I guess many will be interested.
I then had it show the "OlmoTrace" for its response, which seems like it finds exact matches for text strings in its training data that end up in the response. Some of the matched sources were related (pages about Go, Rust, Python, etc), while others were completely unrelated, but just happened to have the same turn of phrase (e.g. "Steeper learning curve").
It was interesting, but is it useful? It was impossible for me to actually fact-check any of the claims in the response based on the matched training data. At this stage, it felt about as helpful as linking every word to that word's entry in a dictionary. "Yep, that's a word alright." I don't think it's really tracing the "thought."
What could be interesting is if the user could dynamically exclude certain training sources before the response is generated. Like, I want to ask a question about climate change, but I want to exclude all newspapers and focus on academic journals.
Transparency is a good first step, but I think we're missing the "Step 2."