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Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by benjojo12 on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:11AM (#45994194)
Sure but to my knowledge you can call someone an asshole in the UK without being at risk of libel but calling someone a [pedophile/drug addict/similar] is (and IMO should) come with consequences if unsubstantiated
Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by ants_everywhere on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:33AM (#45994482)
where do we land on motherf!cker?

Taken literally it's accusing someone of a specific depraved act, but it's also clearly a term of abuse. My guess (not a lawyer!) is that once a term becomes more associated with abuse the more you're protected.

Hustler basically called Jerry Falwell a motherf!cker but attributed to him a specific act, which they highlighted was satire and not to be taken seriously. Hustler lost in a jury trial and also on an appeal to the 4th circuit. The Supreme Court eventually ruled in Hustler's favor [0]. This is dramatized in the movie The People vs Larry Flint.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell

[1] https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-people-vs-larry-flynt/

Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by pavel_lishin on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:56AM (#45994769)
I'm assuming the context would matter, and how believable an average person would find "motherfucker" to imply literal incest.
Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by tom_ on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:48AM (#45994666)
You can say "motherfucker" if you need to.
Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by ants_everywhere on Thursday November 20, 2025 @11:53AM (#45994729)
Haha, I know, thanks :). I don't mind saying it... it's just such a raw word and I wanted people to focus on the substance without aggressively escalating the potty mouth in the thread.
Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by cml123 on Thursday November 20, 2025 @04:05PM (#45997721)
it's interesting how differently people perceive it. Motherfucker is something I'd have called a parent in a card game if they bested me, or an exclamation said aloud from dropping a wallet while walking. Very little significance to it.
Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by bawolff on Thursday November 20, 2025 @02:47PM (#45996809)
> where do we land on motherf!cker?

> Taken literally it's accusing someone of a specific depraved act, but it's also clearly a term of abuse. My guess (not a lawyer!) is that once a term becomes more associated with abuse the more you're protected.

Computer people have this weird notion that courts are like a computer program. If x == "foo" then punishment.

That's not how it works. The use of any specific word does not determine in and of itself if something is an assertion of fact or an assertion of opinion. It depends on how you're using the word.

Re:Judgement on Dr Matthew Garrett (@mjg59) vs. Dr Roy Sches... by ants_everywhere on Thursday November 20, 2025 @03:45PM (#45997460)
> The use of any specific word does not determine in and of itself if something is an assertion of fact or an assertion of opinion. It depends on how you're using the word.

Yes that's the point I'm making. The entire thread is about which words you can get sued over libel for, which isn't how it works.

> Computer people have this weird notion that courts are like a computer program. If x == "foo" then punishment.

This seems unnecessarily insulting, especially since your comment is just a repeat of mine with the relevant details removed.