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Re:Grok 4.1 by Beijinger on Monday November 17, 2025 @10:49PM (#45961179)
Are all these safety witches not irrelevant if you run your own OpenSource LLM?
Re:Grok 4.1 by minimaxir on Monday November 17, 2025 @11:04PM (#45961257)
Modern open source LLMs are still RLHFed to resist adversarial output, albeit less-so than ChatGPT/Claude.

They all (with the exception of DeepSeek) can resist adversarial input better than Grok 4.1.

Re:Grok 4.1 by Beijinger on Monday November 17, 2025 @11:06PM (#45961267)
Is this not easy to take out/deactivate?
Re:Grok 4.1 by minimaxir on Monday November 17, 2025 @11:13PM (#45961313)
It is intrinsic to the model weights.
Re:Grok 4.1 by nomel on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @04:16PM (#45972214)
Which can trivially be modified with fine tuning. In this case, these de-censored models are somewhat incorrectly called "uncensored". You can find many out there, and they'll happily tell you how to cook meth.
Re:Grok 4.1 by cocogoatmain on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @03:11AM (#45962604)
Provided you had the GPU compute to do so you could train the model to have less refusals, e.g. https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.01376

Quality of response/model performance may change though

There’s also nous research’s Hermes’ series of models, but those are trained on llama3.3 architecture and considered outdated now