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Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by gopher_space on Monday November 17, 2025 @02:24PM (#45957125)
> giving money directly to people in extreme poverty, with very low overheads. The evidence that that improves people's lives is very very strong

When you see the return on money spent this way other forms of aid start looking like gatekeeping and rent-seeking.

Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by weepinbell on Monday November 17, 2025 @03:43PM (#45958051)
GiveWell actually benchmarks their charity recommendations against direct cash transfers and will generally only recommend charities whose benefits are Nx cash for some N that I don't remember off the top of my head. I buy that lots of charities aren't effective, but some are!

That said I also think that longer term research and investment in things like infrastructure matters too and can't easily be measured as an RCT. GiveWell style giving is great and it's awesome that the evidence is so strong (and it's most of my charitable giving), but that doesn't mean other charities with less easily researched goals are bad necessarily.

Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by zozbot234 on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @03:44AM (#45962808)
The Open Philanthropy Project is one major actor in EA that focuses mostly on "less easily researched goals" and riskier (but potentially higher-impact on average) giving than GiveWell.
Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by rincebrain on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @07:23AM (#45964625)
Eventually, almost any organization distorts from its nominal goal to self-perpetuation.

As the numbers get larger, it becomes easier and easier to suggest that the organization's continued existence is still a net positive as you waste more and more on the organization bloating.

It's also surprisingly hard to avoid - consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous.

Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by potato3732842 on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @06:26PM (#45973675)
>consider how the ACA required that 85% of premiums go to care, and how that meant that the incentives became for the prices to become enormous.

To be fair, that particular example was obvious from day 1.

Re:A new book about the origins of Effective Altruism by rincebrain on Wednesday November 19, 2025 @07:33AM (#45978830)
Sure, it wasn't a surprise how the incentives for that would work out.

But it's an excellent example of how something you could see some naive people in good faith claiming is a good thing can be pathologized.