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Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by notrealyme123 on Sunday November 16, 2025 @01:28PM (#45947232)
that's an odly specific answer.
Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by loeg on Sunday November 16, 2025 @02:15PM (#45947585)
Seems like a broad dismissal of the claim made upthread ("Flock sells its data to ICE and law enforcement"). Why do you think it is excessively specific?
Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by array_key_first on Sunday November 16, 2025 @06:00PM (#45949242)
Because the specific part here is selling the data and them doing it.

Flock does not sell data, they willingly give it away for free. And, technically, they don't do it - their customers do, and Flock knows and lets them.

Personally, in my view, this is worse. But they don't specifically sell data.

Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by loeg on Sunday November 16, 2025 @07:51PM (#45949929)
I think complaints about real things make a more persuasive argument than, you know, falsehoods.
Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by array_key_first on Monday November 17, 2025 @09:38AM (#45953957)
Being right on a technicality doesnt mean that everyone else is lying. We are not stupid, we were not born yesterday: we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data. It can also mean treating data haphazardly, or having a culture of extreme data collection. Both of which describe flock.
Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by loeg on Monday November 17, 2025 @05:02PM (#45958867)
It's not a "technicality!" diogenes_atx made a very specific, false claim. Don't do that!

> we all understand that "selling data" does not literally mean exchanging money for data.

You're completely wrong there. That is exactly what it means.

If what you mean is lax security practices, or collecting data in general, just say that. There's really no need to bend over backwards to defend this.

Re:Dissecting Flock Safety: The Cameras Tracking You Are a S... by array_key_first on Tuesday November 18, 2025 @09:31PM (#45975185)
I'm not bending over anywhere - I just disagree with you. Your opinion is not "blessed", it is just as much able to wrong as everyone elses.

They do not sell data, they willingly give it away for free - which is a form of selling data, with a price tag of $0.

Most reasonable human beings will actually say this is slightly worse than "selling" (literal) data. Therefore, I think most people would agree with me, and not with you.

In my mind it's very similar to claiming you're not a thief because you give away the stuff you take. No, you're still a thief, you just love being a thief so much you don't even do it for monetary gain. Which is... worse!