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Re:You misunderstand what it means to be poor by bccdee on Saturday November 15, 2025 @12:23AM (#45935257)
I don't think you've even thought about this for 30 seconds.

> If it could easily fetch more money, it would have been bid higher than £50.

Have you ever been to one of these auctions? I haven't. If I want a used vehicle, I go to a trusted dealership. Few people attend auctions, hence demand is low, hence prices are low. When there's no incentive to sell something for what it's worth, the seller will put in less effort and sell it below market price.

> Then did the debtor not sell the motorbike to pay the debt?

They probably needed it. You try doing food deliveries without a vehicle. Now their job's gone.

> it seems that people always assume they're totally incapable of helping themselves.

Well obviously. Being poor is excruciating; nobody would choose to be poor. The ones who are capable of helping themselves do—in fact, they help themselves when they're broke, and they never become truly poor in the first place (per the article's definitions).

Re:You misunderstand what it means to be poor by hippo22 on Saturday November 15, 2025 @08:49AM (#45937448)
The point is that, before the bike was collected and put up for auction, the debtor could have sold the bike to pay the debts. Then, once the bike was put up for auction, buyers could have bid on it if it was really worth more.

Multiple people in this story had a financial incentive to profit from the bike, yet no one did. The only evidence we have of the bike's value is OP's claim. Does it not seem more likely that OP is simply wrong about the bike's value?

Re:You misunderstand what it means to be poor by bccdee on Saturday November 15, 2025 @10:52AM (#45938196)
> the debtor could have sold the bike to pay the debts

…so clearly the bike was worth more to them than its cash value.

Again: They probably needed that bike for work. Losing their job will easily cost them more than $400.

> yet no one did.

The bailiff did, and the buyer did, and they were the only parties with agency in the situation. Doesn't surprise me.

Re:You misunderstand what it means to be poor by hippo22 on Saturday November 15, 2025 @11:12AM (#45938393)
> the debtor could have sold the bike to pay the debts

This is assuming OP’s value of the bike is correct. The fact that the debtor did not sell the bike is a datapoint that OP is overvaluing the bike.

> The bailiff did, and the buyer did, and they were the only parties with agency in the situation.

The entire room full of auction participants also had agency and chose not to bid the bike higher than 50 quid. Yet another datapoint that OP overvalued the bike.

Also, this brings me back to my main point: I find it hilarious that you don’t consider the debtor as having agency. People love to discuss the poor as if they’re helpless animals.

Re:You misunderstand what it means to be poor by Survived on Saturday November 15, 2025 @06:37PM (#45941466)
Dude, some skeezy used car salesman type bought the bike and made a 350 pound profit.

Literally no one involved cared about getting the best price except the bottom-feeders attending the auction.