Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by SilverElfin on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @01:42PM
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Is there any evaluation of which right or which harm is larger? It seems like the idea that one outweighs another is arbitrary. Is there a principled thing behind it?
Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by prasadjoglekar on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @01:44PM
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That's what the court is for. Weighing the different arguments and applying precedents
Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by antonvs on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @02:03PM
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> You do have a right to privacy (arguably) but it is outweighed by the interest of enforcing the rights of others under copyright law.
What governs or codifies that? I would have expected that there would need to be some kind of specific overriding concern(s) that would need to apply in order to violate my (even limited) expectation of privacy, not just enforcing copyright law in general.
E.g. there's nothing resembling "probable cause" to search my own interactions with ChatGPT for such violations. On what basis can that be justified?
Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by ronsor on Wednesday November 12, 2025 @03:40PM
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> enforcing the rights of others under copyright law
I certainly do not care about copyright more than my own privacy, and I certainly don't find that interest to be the public's interest, though perhaps it's the interest of legacy corporations and their lobbyists.
Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by rpdillon on Thursday November 13, 2025 @08:44AM
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Seems to me my right to privacy is far more important than their right to copyright enforcement.
Re:Fighting the New York Times' invasion of user privacy
by freejazz on Thursday November 13, 2025 @10:04AM
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Have you read OpenAI's terms of service? Which part is being violated by producing anonymized logs in response to discovery? OpenAI's ToS state that they will produce your data in response to discovery. What's not clicking for you?
The correct term for this is prima facie right.
You do have a right to privacy (arguably) but it is outweighed by the interest of enforcing the rights of others under copyright law.
Similarly, liberty is a prima facie right; you can be arrested for committing a crime.