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Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by rusk on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:44AM (#45873468)
Nukes are useless as anything other than a self destruct mechanism. A gunman pointing at your head with himself in the line of fire.
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by throwaway290 on Monday November 10, 2025 @04:10AM (#45874041)
Tell that to Ukraine!
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by rusk on Monday November 10, 2025 @05:14AM (#45874432)
Russia aren’t going to use nukes on their own doorstep. That’s a a NATO problem. It’s like openly knifing somebody in public repeatedly while holding the would be hero’s at bay with a gun. Yes this is an actual thing that happened in the UK about 10 years ago.
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by scott_w on Monday November 10, 2025 @05:55AM (#45874684)
Um... Russia's doctrine during the Cold War was to turn Poland into a nuclear wasteland to stop Nato advancing through it. At the time, Poland was a part of the USSR.

What Russia considers "a buffer zone" is really "inferior peoples we can atomise without having to open a new conflict with a foreign power." To be clear, I use the term "inferior peoples" as seen from the Russian point of view.

Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by kelipso on Monday November 10, 2025 @09:35AM (#45876423)
Poland was part of the Warsaw Pact but it was never in the USSR.
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by greedo on Monday November 10, 2025 @01:42PM (#45879266)
You've got it reversed...

Soviet doctrine (not Russian) was to use tactical nuclear weapons immediately during their attempt to invade West Germany and march to the Atlantic.

Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by scott_w on Monday November 10, 2025 @02:39PM (#45879950)
I’ve been looking and you are correct, though I do recall seeing something different, so perhaps what I read was misinterpreting the Seven Days to the Rhine plan.
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by palmotea on Monday November 10, 2025 @11:57AM (#45877922)
> Edit: it's not about throwing nukes at each other... It's about having nukes that you can use if someone invades you.

Russia has nukes and got invaded (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_campaign), did it use them?

Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by throwaway290 on Monday November 10, 2025 @12:45PM (#45878506)
having nukes doesn't mean when you invade a nuke-free country and it will just fall over for you. but not having nukes means a country with nukes can feel comfy invading you....
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by jack_tripper on Monday November 10, 2025 @03:20AM (#45873702)
Nuclear submarines as in nuclear propulsion submarines. And nukes are useful because you never need to fire them.
Re:How the UK lost its shipbuilding industry by rusk on Monday November 10, 2025 @05:11AM (#45874416)
That’s the point, and you’re in big trouble if that’s what you’re actually dependent upon is something you can’t use. Nukes are only for the other nukes. The bit of butter, so they say, Betty bought to make the bitter butter better.