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Re:Driver livestreams on TikTok as she apparently hits and k... by chongli on Saturday November 08, 2025 @01:48PM (#45858930)
Forgiveness only counts when you believe the crime to be unforgivable, yet forgive the criminal anyway. "Forgiveable crimes" are just crimes you merely tolerate.

“There is a limit to human charity," said Lady Outram, trembling all over.

"There is," said Father Brown dryly, "and that is the real difference between human charity and Christian charity. You must forgive me if I was not altogether crushed by your contempt for my uncharitableness today; or by the lectures you read me about pardon for every sinner. For it seems to me that you only pardon the sins that you don't really think sinful. You only forgive criminals when they commit what you don't regard as crimes, but rather as conventions. So you tolerate a conventional duel, just as you tolerate a conventional divorce. You forgive because there isn't anything to be forgiven.”

― G.K. Chesterton, The Complete Father Brown

Re:Driver livestreams on TikTok as she apparently hits and k... by MangoToupe on Saturday November 08, 2025 @01:58PM (#45858998)
Surely there must be some conception of forgiveness outside those of sin and charity. I'm not even sure what it really means for forgiveness to "count".
Re:Driver livestreams on TikTok as she apparently hits and k... by chongli on Saturday November 08, 2025 @02:55PM (#45859457)
I think you’re reading too literally into the words sin and charity. Sin in this case just means a transgression or wrong to you or your community. Charity here is used in the philosophical sense, meaning an openness to tolerating transgressions.

For forgiveness to mean anything at all you need to forgive an actual injury. “Forgiving” someone for doing what you don’t mind them doing anyway is not forgiveness, it’s tolerance.

Re:Driver livestreams on TikTok as she apparently hits and k... by MangoToupe on Sunday November 09, 2025 @01:59AM (#45863511)
So what, then, is an unforgivable crime? You have no choice; you must tolerate everything or go insane.
Re:Driver livestreams on TikTok as she apparently hits and k... by chongli on Sunday November 09, 2025 @09:54AM (#45865980)
There's no "must" here. Forgiveness is hard. That's why it's a virtue.

It's not without its benefits though. Forgiving someone who grievously hurt you or your family is the first step to letting go and moving on with your life.