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Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by ForgetItJake on Thursday November 06, 2025 @12:08AM (#45831714)
> All of which are anti phone-ban/anti-regulation/pro-liberal/freemarketeering masquerading as a product of independent thought.

I don't see what you're saying. Are you saying people must think the same things as you do for it to be independent thought?

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by mjbale116 on Thursday November 06, 2025 @01:02AM (#45831973)
> I don't see what you're saying. Are you saying people must think the same things as you do for it to be independent thought?

Indeed you don't; let me help you out then:

Arguments must be made in good faith; and when you hear anyone saying anything I mentioned above it is immediately obvious that they are not arguing in good faith.

If they think they are, then their decision making centre is compromised by cnbc and fox news and their opinion must be dismissed.

If anyone considers the above arguments valid and worthy of discussion, they need to exempt themselves from this discourse.

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by ForgetItJake on Thursday November 06, 2025 @01:56AM (#45832280)
You can't just declare any opposition to your point of view as being in bad faith. (which is ironically in bad faith)

> If they think they are, then their decision making centre is compromised by cnbc and fox news and their opinion must be dismissed.

I hope you're trolling, because if not...

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by HollowVoice on Thursday November 06, 2025 @06:16AM (#45833944)
The destructive impact of manufactured opinions on society can't be tolerated. If anyone feels otherwise they need to be suppressed - or, if that proves impossible, eliminated.
Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by eesmith on Thursday November 06, 2025 @07:47AM (#45834628)
Those statements as described earlier were made in bad faith:

> 1) "Since when do we consider it OK for the government to intervene between the parents and their children and telling them whats good and whats not? They know best."

A public school intervenes between the parent and their children to tell the student what is good work and what is not. Parents do not always know best. (Yes, there are policies which let the parent appeal, but the parent does not have final authority.)

Child protective services can take children away from parents who are egregiously poor parents.

I don't see this as a good faith argument.

> 2) "Whoever does not want to use electronics at school grounds are free to do so who are we to constrain them? Also, forbidding things never works let them learn."

If we believe in educating citizens then we set rules to help educate citizens. There is a long history of prohibiting certain electronics at school. At https://archive.org/details/makingvaluejudgm0000elde/page/38... we can read that over 50 years ago some schools prohibited transistor radios.

If the claim is in good faith then it's also saying that laws and rules forbidding smoking in school must be repealed. I certainly want to keep them in place, so I don't see this as a good faith argument.

> 3) "I think you are underestimating children; if they see that what they are doing with electronics affects them in any way, they will stop using them. Lets give them some credit and let them make their mistakes."

Which is an argument that if the child wants to play video games all day and is getting Ds or worse in every class, than teachers should like the child continue to make that mistakes. I don't see this as a good faith argument.

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by Jensson on Thursday November 06, 2025 @03:13AM (#45832744)
Do you really think that people can't come up with such arguments on their own? People aren't very unique, lots of people independently come up with very similar stupid arguments.
Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by gverrilla on Thursday November 06, 2025 @05:40AM (#45833688)
There's mass production and consumption of arguments and ideas.
Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by matthewmacleod on Thursday November 06, 2025 @01:41AM (#45832187)
Indeed you don't

It seems that they do indeed see what you’re saying…

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by HollowVoice on Thursday November 06, 2025 @06:26AM (#45834038)
> It seems that they do indeed see what you’re saying…

Your antisocial brain is no excuse for rude behaviour. You need to stop posting in this conversation.

Re:NY smartphone ban has made lunch loud again by immibis on Thursday November 06, 2025 @04:59AM (#45833415)
You have to look beneath what people say, and consider what they think. The quoted arguments are quite clearly nonsense and must be rationalisations.