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Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by znpy on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:00AM (#45824378)
> Maybe this even harder push by Gnome on Wayland will drive even more effort into the alternative software, and continue to fuel the healthy competition that (for better or worst) the Linux desktop is stuck with.

Competition in this space has been everything except healthy. Wayland people have been essentially sabotaging X11 development.

Example: people wanting to keep X11 alive have been literally banned from the freedesktop.org infrastructure: https://linuxiac.com/xlibre-xserver-project-plans-revival-of...

> In a dramatic turn of events, Red Hat employees banned developer Enrico Weigelt from the freedesktop.org infrastructure. Weigelt’s account, repositories, tickets, and merge requests (more than 140) associated with the Xorg project were also abruptly deleted. As a result of these actions, in a message titled “History repeats: Redhat censored me on freedesktop.org,”.

(more in the link).

As somebody that has a functioning desktop environment (XFCE) and that doesn't bother much with new stuff, this is incredibly annoying, as the Wayland people have been breaking the linux desktop for everybody while pushing for incomplete alternatives (case in point: another comment to this same thread: wayland breaks accessibility: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824341 - they should have first developed it AND THEN push for it but no, they had to push incomplete and non functional garbage down everybody's throat).

I'm not really against Wayland per se, I'm against the fascistoid appoach that wayland people had all along the way.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by shevy-java on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:22AM (#45824718)
> Example: people wanting to keep X11 alive have been literally banned from the freedesktop.org infrastructure

Yeah - that has been my experience with ebassi etc... too. Also prior to that with Poettering. These people seem on a mission, a crusade. Anyone not conforming to this will be ignored or isolated/banned.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by znpy on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @12:36PM (#45825579)
In Poettering’s defence: his software worked/works.

It’s a big change but it wasn’t pushed at early stage: he had a working implementation. No fluff, no bs. After fedora first and rhel later, other distributions followed but nobody’s getting sabotaged or prevented from working on other init systems.

Don’t even get me started on gnome though, and their progressive dumbing down of gnome as a desktop environment…

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by hulitu on Thursday November 06, 2025 @09:50AM (#45835866)
> Poettering

He is Microsoft's mole.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by happymellon on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:11AM (#45824565)
Probably a better reference.

https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/12/the_price_of_software...

> fascistoid appoach that wayland people had all along the way

Ironic to promote a far right dev, and demonizing folks who are sick of his shit.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by shevy-java on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @11:26AM (#45824788)
Interestingly this becomes increasingly common. See DHH suddenly promoting a "pure" society in the UK while supporting the Shopify CEO, who in turns supports Trump. Recently Shopify also pulled rank in the ruby ecosystem; as a consequence the ruby core team seized power over rubygems + butler and evicted all former devs at the same time. Before that they went for arbitrary 100.000 download limits (I told them I don't agree that they disallow me from pulling my own projects; they did not listen so I removed my account at once - github doesn't hijack my projects like rubygems.org under shopify/RubyCentral control) or wanted to have mandatory 2FA for everyone. This is a corporate take-over - both in the ruby-ecosystem as well as GTK/GNOME. KDE also is going that way - see the "donate now" daemon, as well as Nate after that pocketing money for himself only: https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde...

Nate's attempt to defuse this failed dramatically. People become more and more problematic in open source. Many open source projects are turned into personal money-pots for a few, or straight up corporate-controlled shills. I miss the oldschool days here. Those things rarely happened from 2000 to 2010. Now they are suddenly widespread.

Edit: And, DHH sitting on Shopify board and leveraging it for more top-down control at the same time. Watch how former shopify employees jump out of nowhere telling you "we have no such bias", which is hilarious. They never admit to having signed any NDA, for instance; they will simply ignore this question if you ask them.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by znpy on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @12:41PM (#45825625)
I have no idea about the affiliations of that dev and i have zero interest in defending/promoting or condemning his personal opinions.

That being said: i will gladly run working software written from a far right developer rather than half-assed broken software written by a far-left developer. Politics does not influence my choices in software (quality does).

Anyway, the thing is: fascist behaviours aren’t an exclusive monopoly of far right people.

I still stand by my point that wayland people have had a fascistoid behaviour all along.

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by happymellon on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @01:08PM (#45825939)
Except that he was kicked out for sending in patches that weren't working, failed the build tests and had obviously next actually been tested. Repeatedly. It reached AI slop level PRs and people got sick of it.

> Politics does not influence my choices in software (quality does).

Then why are you linking to a guy who has been making broken changes?

Re:Gnome Mutter Now "Completely Drops the Whole X11 Back End" by znpy on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:29PM (#45828960)
Xorg as a whole was much higher in quality when the push for broken wayland stuff started. You’re lagging.