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Re:You can't cURL a Border by afiori on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @11:40AM (#45812949)
Germany still does this, to a good fraction of incoming long distance busses (but not trains IIUC)
Re:You can't cURL a Border by bluebarbet on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @03:19PM (#45815430)
Correct, and not just Germany. I have travelled all over Europe by bus and train. In recent years borders have been making a comeback, despite Schengen. Buses are target number 1 for border police.

Last year my bus took nearly an hour to get across the Serbia-Croatia border, which is technically a Schengen border, but Serbia is surrounded by Europe so security is usually lax. We all had to get off and go through passport control while the police combed the bus. Meanwhile, car traffic was being waved through without the slightest formality. Infuriating.

Re:You can't cURL a Border by gpvos on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @07:36PM (#45817656)
The Serbia-Croatia border is definitely not a Schengen border; I assume that was a typo.
Re:You can't cURL a Border by bluebarbet on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @04:36AM (#45821131)
Indeed. Typo. Too late to fix.
Re:You can't cURL a Border by bluebarbet on Wednesday November 05, 2025 @05:44PM (#45829090)
Wait! It was not a typo. Serbia-Croatia is indeed a Schengen border (Croatia is in Schengen). My point was that there was anti-bus discrimination even at this low-security border.

At the supposed non-borders within the Schengen zone, police are increasingly present. Often they get on buses (and trains) just to check out the passengers, obviously looking for passengers with migrant profiles.

Two or three years ago I crossed the ultra-low-security Germany-Denmark border on a local bus. There was no border security but I overheard the driver making an intentional phone call to someone to say that he had a foreign tourist aboard. Schengen has not completely abolished borders, alas.

Re:You can't cURL a Border by gpvos on Sunday November 09, 2025 @04:37PM (#45869422)
Ack. Intra-Schengen versus outer Schengen border. Borders are confusing.

And yes, border controls are almost everywhere again.

Re:You can't cURL a Border by eru on Tuesday November 04, 2025 @09:17PM (#45818248)
Btw, long distance busses have a really strange history in Germany.

The literal Nazis made a law that virtually banned long distance busses inside of Germany, and the market was only liberalised in 2013. Deregulation and liberalisation often get a bad rep, but they have done a lot for us.

(To be more precise, the Nazis didn't outright ban long distance busses directly, what they did was give the government railway monopoly a veto over most bus routes and lots of extra restrictions. Which amounted to the same result as a ban. Just like the US doesn't directly ban buying from the world's most popular electric car brand or importing photovoltaic cells: they just slap outrageous 100%+ tariffs on them.)