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Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by nprateem on Monday November 03, 2025 @02:19PM (#45803186)
Anyone who believes an algorithm could be conscious needs to take mushrooms.
Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by visarga on Monday November 03, 2025 @04:43PM (#45804804)
Consider the river metaphor: water carves the banks, banks channel the water. At any moment water and banks have the same shape.

Model/algorithm is the banks. Water could be the experiences. Maybe the algorithm does not have consciousness, but it is part of it.

They co-create each other. They are part of a recursive loop which cannot be explained statically, or part by part in isolation.

Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by levitatorius on Monday November 03, 2025 @05:39PM (#45805339)
Yes! If algorithm is conscious (without being alive) then the eaten magic mushroom is also very conscious, judged by it's effect on the subject.
Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by vidarh on Monday November 03, 2025 @05:40PM (#45805343)
Unless you can show me you can exceed the Turing computable, there is no reason to consider you any more than an algorithm.
Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by nprateem on Monday November 03, 2025 @10:36PM (#45807199)
Take a big enough dose and the mushrooms will show you that.
Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by vidarh on Friday November 07, 2025 @08:53AM (#45846366)
Unless those mushrooms provides you with a repeatable, testable computation that you can repeat, they are not showing you anything of the sort.
Re:The Case That A.I. Is Thinking by nprateem on Friday November 07, 2025 @12:02PM (#45848461)
If it wasn't repeatable people wouldn't frequently report experiences of oneness and similar spiritual experiences while tripping.