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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by bko on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:15PM (#45783387)
You think the person at the TSA that gets paid 40k a year is better at facial recognition than a computer?
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by snovv_crash on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:34PM (#45783557)
Having worked in this space (ID verification of live-humans to ID documents), yes, I absolutely think people are better at the 1:1 person:document yes/no question than I think an AI model is at saying which of 200M people this face is. Just having a prior of a physical document with their name and likeness on it already makes up 1 factor of the N-factor authentication.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by bko on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:44PM (#45786553)
If you really worked in this space you would know that AI models don't scan 200M people because... why would they? Seems kind of weird.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by snovv_crash on Saturday November 01, 2025 @08:02PM (#45786676)
The database of potential US citizens that could be matched to a face scan is where the 200M comes from.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by queenkjuul on Sunday November 02, 2025 @02:28AM (#45788494)
So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work?
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by ThrowMeAway1618 on Sunday November 02, 2025 @03:09AM (#45788661)
>So the model is verifying faces against ... A database of zero faces? Surely there's 200M faces in there, or else how does it work?

No. The model is, "Hey! this guy is being a pain in the ass. He even claimed that The President wasn't blessed with superintelligence and doesn't actually smell really good!

We need to get this terrorist off the streets! He sure looks a whole lot like that illegal on the FBI most wanted list, doesn't he? Off to CECOT with him!

What's that? He's a twelfth generation citizen? No way! Look, the app I used to claim this guy matches an illegal who's also a child rapist!

Your papers are all fake (if, as a citizen he's even carrying them). Onto the plane with you Senor.

That's the model. Feel free to disagree, but come back and reread this comment in 18 months. I hope you read it then and think "what a paranoid guy! Nothing like that could ever happen here!" But I'm not holding my breath. :(

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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by actionfromafar on Sunday November 02, 2025 @04:57AM (#45789127)
In 18 months the discussion will have moved on to make excuses for the conentration camps. Alligator Auschwitz and such camps must be much larger to hold everyone.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by queenkjuul on Friday November 07, 2025 @09:33PM (#45853573)
Buddy I'm well aware of the American gestapo and their present actions

I'm just pointing out the absurdity of claiming there's no faces in the facial recognition database

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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by tchalla on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:45PM (#45783644)
Are you saying that a computer should be trusted without human intervention? If so, I have a computer right now that says you should be banned on the Internet.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by atmavatar on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:03PM (#45783831)
It's likely the TSA employee's five year old child is better at facial recognition than a computer, too.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by bko on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:15PM (#45783926)
Please don't spread unscientific misinformation. You can say ICE bad, or you don't believe in borders, but saying computer facial recognition is inaccurate compared to humans is just factually incorrect.

https://pages.nist.gov/frvt/html/frvt11.html?utm_source=chat...

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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by Kinrany on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:21PM (#45783978)
Better-than-human facial recognition existing doesn't mean that all facial recognition technology is that good.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by verdverm on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:38PM (#45784134)
Looks like GP is using ChatGPT (see the utm_source in their link) to find the first result that supports their viewpoint rather than doing a broad discovery and analysis
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by bko on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:42PM (#45786543)
The horror! Someone using an LLM for basic information gathering like "is AI facial recognition accurate compared to humans?" rather than going off vibes or one off sensationalized articles.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by verdverm on Saturday November 01, 2025 @09:50PM (#45787198)
Apparently it has not given you broad coverage of the subject, others have provide more references showing the opposite result of your claim

LLMs are sycophants, how you ask matters

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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by justinclift on Sunday November 02, 2025 @01:26AM (#45788024)
> Someone using an LLM for basic information gathering ...

While doing so can be ok, you should probably do some checking via non-LLM means as well.

Otherwise you'll end up misunderstanding things that you _think_ you've learned about. :(

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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by queenkjuul on Sunday November 02, 2025 @02:31AM (#45788516)
LLM is equivalent to vibes, sorry
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by Larrikin on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:42PM (#45783603)
Stop presenting your opinion with no evidence as obvious facts on the ground that people need to argue against with sources.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by novemp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:46PM (#45783650)
Yes.
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Re:You Can't Refuse to Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognitio... by rpdillon on Sunday November 02, 2025 @10:48AM (#45791172)
People are exceptionally good at facial recognition because of the Fusiform face area, which is a specialized portion of the temporal lobe optimized for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusiform_face_area

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