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Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by noosphr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:22AM (#45780321)
You could just read his signiture in the mailing list.

https://mastodon.social/@juliank

>Senior Engineer at Canonical.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by julian-klode on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:55AM (#45780457)
Yes that's true and there's synergies but keep in mind I also have a personal mind
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by bfkwlfkjf on Saturday November 01, 2025 @10:27AM (#45781893)
It's hard to get someone to understand something when getting paid depends on them not understanding it.

And if you liked that refrain, here's another one.

You should not only avoid impropriety, but also the appearance of impropriety.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by noir_lord on Saturday November 01, 2025 @11:44AM (#45782569)
I think that's unkind absent any proof otherwise which you haven't posted.

In reality a lot of the heavily used parts of Linux (and open source generally) are going to have some commercial involvement or are we suggesting that no one should be paid by any of the companies backing Linux who use Linux because to me that sounds worse.

Whether you like it or not, Linux/Open Source hasn't been entirely the preserve of unpaid people doing it for fun for a long time.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by noosphr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:09PM (#45783870)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

I don't understand how people keep giving the benefit of the doubt to corporations.

They aren't people. They feel no guilt and have no shame.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by adwn on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:17PM (#45784958)
Julian Klode is not a corporation, though, so we should give him the benefit of a doubt.
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by noosphr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:08PM (#45785866)
The whole thread started someone making the wrong point that:

>They are of no commercial interest to Ubuntu.

Which is plainly false.

Julian can believe whatever he wants, in fact the more naively idealistic he is the better for Canonical.

The fact of the matter is that corporate Linux's benefits from impossible to run setups. That's the whole business model. The more convoluted the setup is the more money they make. Rust fits into this business model perfectly.

You'd think people would have learned this after the Nth rug pull from supposed champions of free software like RedHat.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by bfkwlfkjf on Sunday November 02, 2025 @10:11AM (#45790865)
My whole point, which you've missed, is that the _interest_ is what we should be looking at. I don't care if he says he does or doesn't act on it. He has the interest.
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by dcminter on Saturday November 01, 2025 @12:02PM (#45782722)
That's obnoxious. Do you only promote the interests of your employer? Do you expect people to assume that?

It's not even as if Canonical has a particularly bad reputation for that kind of thing.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by woodruffw on Saturday November 01, 2025 @11:09AM (#45782233)
Instead of insinuating, can you say what exactly the impropriety here would be, in your opinion?
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by oddmade on Saturday November 01, 2025 @10:49AM (#45782051)
Let me evolve that for you.

You should not only avoid appearance of impropriety, but also impropriety.

Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by unethical_ban on Saturday November 01, 2025 @11:45AM (#45782582)
Are you just being clever by mocking someone with a job or so you think there is something wrong with this technical decision?
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by torstenvl on Saturday November 01, 2025 @12:38PM (#45783068)
There is no mockery there. He's simply pointing out the conflict of interest leading to a financial incentive to abandon platforms that otherwise work fine.
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by btrettel on Saturday November 01, 2025 @01:41PM (#45783601)
Re:Hard Rust requirements from May onward for all Debian ports by noosphr on Saturday November 01, 2025 @02:10PM (#45783876)
For people. I'm talking about Canonical here.

I'm sure OP believes what they say. Otherwise they wouldn't be paid to say it.