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Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by staticautomatic on Friday October 31, 2025 @11:09AM (#45772870)
I sell you a cat for $1B and you sell me a dog for $1B and now we’re both billionaires! Whether the capital markets “want” that or not it’s still silly.
Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by slashdev on Friday October 31, 2025 @11:58AM (#45773549)
If we’re both willing to pay that in a free market economy, then we both leave the deal happy.

Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. And that can change over time.

Sentiment matters more than fundamental value in the short term.

Long term, on a timescale of a decade or more, it’s different.

Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by overfeed on Friday October 31, 2025 @12:55PM (#45774137)
> If we’re both willing to pay that in a free market economy

The thing is: you've paid nothing - all you did was trade pets and played an accounting trick to make them seem more valuable than they are.

Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by fireflash38 on Friday October 31, 2025 @01:04PM (#45774236)
Is that not fraud?
Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by _heimdall on Friday October 31, 2025 @07:34PM (#45777873)
Yes, it is fraud round tripping is fraud, whether the government is willing to prosecute it or not.
Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by _heimdall on Friday October 31, 2025 @07:33PM (#45777870)
Both parties would need the $1B prior to the transaction for it to even potentially be meaningful, and still they just traded a cat for a dog and only paid each other on paper.

That ultimately wouldn't be a big deal if the paper valuation from the trade didn't matter. As it stands, though, both parties could log it as both revenue and expenses, and being public companies their valuation, and debt they can borrow against it, is based in part on revenue numbers. If the number was meaningless who cares, but the numbers aren't meaningless and at such a scale they can impact the entire economy.

Re:OpenAI Uses Complex and Circular Deals to Fuel Its Multib... by vel0city on Monday November 03, 2025 @11:56AM (#45801266)
No, only one party needed a billion dollars, they just needed to execute that trade first.

Actually, thinking more about it, if they both agreed the cat and dog were worth a billion dollars ahead of time, neither one would actually need that billion dollars as liquid cash, it could be an all-animal transaction.