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Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by fadedsignal on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @10:39AM (#45733487)
I don't think AGI will happen with LLMs. For example, can an LLM drive a car?? I know it's a silly question but it's a fact.
Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by torginus on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @12:11PM (#45734748)
It can?

If you use 'multimodal transformer' instead of LLM (which most SOTA models are), I don't think there's any reason why a transformer arch couldn't be trained to drive a car, in fact I'm sure that's what Tesla and co. are using in their cars right now.

I'm sure self-driving will become good enough to be commercially viable in the next couple years (with some limitations), that doesn't mean it's AGI.

Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by tsimionescu on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @02:13PM (#45736629)
There is a vast gulf between "GPT-5 can drive a car" and "a neural network using the transformer architecture can be trained to drive a car". And I see no proof whatsoever that we can, today, train a single model that can both write a play and drive a car. Even less so one that could do both at the same time, as a generally intelligent being should be able to.

If someone wants to claim that, say, GPT-5 is AGI, then it is on them to connect GPT-5 to a car control system and inputs and show that it can drive a car decently well. After all, it has consumed all of the literature on driving and physics ever produced, plus untold numbers of hours of video of people driving.

Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by torginus on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @04:05PM (#45738385)
> single model that can both write a play and drive a car.

It would be a really silly thing to do, and probably there are engineering subletities as to why this would be a bad idea, but I don't see why you couldn't train a single model to do both.

Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by tsimionescu on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @04:41PM (#45738862)
It's not silly, it is in fact a clear necessity to have both of these for something to be even close to AGI. And you additionally need it trained on many other tasks - if you believe that each task requires additional parameters and additional training data, then it becomes very clear that we are nowhere near to a general intelligence system; and it should also be pretty clear that this will not scale to 100 tasks with anything similar to the current hardware and training algorithms.
Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by og_kalu on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @06:16PM (#45739969)
>There is a vast gulf between "GPT-5 can drive a car" and "a neural network using the transformer architecture can be trained to drive a car".

The only difference between the two is training data the former lacks that the latter does so not a 'vast gulf'.

>And I see no proof whatsoever that we can, today, train a single model that can both write a play and drive a car.

You are not making a lot of sense here. You can have a model that does both. It's not some herculean task. it's literally just additional data in the training run. There are vision-language-action models tested on public roads.

https://wayve.ai/thinking/lingo-2-driving-with-language/

Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by oldestofsports on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @02:23PM (#45736744)
Okay but then can a multimodal transformer do everything an LLM can?
Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by torginus on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @04:03PM (#45738356)
Most SOTA LLMs are multimodal transformers.
Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by JoelMcCracken on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @11:14AM (#45733933)
this is something I think about. state of the art in self driving cars still makes mistakes that humans wouldn't make, despite all the investment into this specific problem.

This bodes very poorly for AGI in the near term, IMO

Re:The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership by og_kalu on Tuesday October 28, 2025 @06:21PM (#45740028)