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Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by throwaway091025 on Monday October 27, 2025 @11:53AM (#45722411)
"We just HAVE to be racist" - PSF
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by wrsh07 on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:17PM (#45722749)
If psf wants supports ten conferences and 9 of them have a typical gender ratio of 7:3 (males:females) and so they support 1 conference with a gender ratio of 3:7, then I think they're in violation of these terms.

Was PSF acting in a discriminatory manner by supporting the tenth conference?

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by lingrush4 on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:34PM (#45723008)
If they picked any of the conferences based on the gender of the attendees, then they were pretty obviously discriminating based on a protected characteristic and should face legal ramifications for it.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by wrsh07 on Monday October 27, 2025 @01:04PM (#45723470)
So unintentional discrimination is ok, but intentionally counterbalancing (even extremely tepidly) is very bad?
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by MeetingsBrowser on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:00PM (#45722508)
If you read

> support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers

as a racist statement, you need to step back and re-evaluate things.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by throwaway091025 on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:01PM (#45722535)
If you think treating people differently based on race is fine, you ARE a racist. If you think treating people differently based on sex is fine, you ARE a sexist. My dude.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by MeetingsBrowser on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:12PM (#45722680)
People ARE treated differently based on race and gender. For example, women are severely underrepresented in the tech industry.

You can either look into why that is and attempt to address underlying issues, or you can pretend people are sexist for doing something that doesn't directly benefit you.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by throw_a_grenade on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:42PM (#45723134)
The way how you respond and means of addressing the issue very much matters. It's possible to have equitable objectives, but using discriminatory means. For example, just declaring quota and filling to order will fulfill the objective, but will be very discriminatory in practice.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by loloquwowndueo on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:23PM (#45722831)
Equity vs. Equality. Google it, “my dude”.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by SalmoShalazar on Monday October 27, 2025 @04:59PM (#45726216)
I do think a lot of these people who claim reverse racism just have no idea what the word “equity” even means.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by pornel on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:41PM (#45723110)
That would be true if the society was already perfectly fair and neutral (which some people believe).

However, there is racism and sexism in the world (it's systemic, in a sense it's not about one person not liking another personally, but biases propagated throughout the society). To counter that, you need to recognize it, and it will be necessary to treat some people differently.

For example, women may not feel safe being a small minority at a gathering full of men. If you do nothing, many potentially interested women will not show up. You could conclude that it's just the way things are and women are simply not interested enough in the topic, or you could acknowledge the gender-specific issue and do something about it. But this isn't a problem affecting everyone equally, so it would require treating women specially.

Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by martinky24 on Monday October 27, 2025 @11:59AM (#45722502)
So brave, saying this from a throwaway account.
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by throwaway091025 on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:03PM (#45722558)
Thanks dad, I missed you
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by throwaway091025 on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:04PM (#45722582)
You ever ask yourself WHY a throwaway account might be necessary? Look in the mirror
Re:PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant p... by thinkcontext on Monday October 27, 2025 @12:26PM (#45722875)
“I’d just become leader and I’m excited and President Trump’s there. And I look over at the Democrats and they stand up. They look like America,” he told Sorkin. “We stand up. We look like the most restrictive country club in America.”

Kevin McCarthy, former GOP House leader and Speak of the House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/30/mccarthy-...