The election was stolen, From Al Gore.

Hell, I'm sure people have been claiming rigged elections since the Ancient Greek republics

They did, although back then when votes were public, accusations of bribes for votes were the most common thing, followed by accusations of attempting to rig votes to ostracise someone from Athens.

it's funny you'd ask because it's litterally the first time out of three that he got more votes than his opponent ; and he got more votes thanks to lying, inclusive lying about having won the 2 precedent ones

Why are you attacking a point he didn't make?

Trump lies. Almost every sentence is a lie.

If you're allowed to lie during your campaign and you're immune from the repercussions, of course you're going to sway voters.

Don't close your eyes to obvious truths.

> Trump lies. Almost every sentence is a lie.

To be fair, a lie is when some knows the truth but says the not-truth.

Trump may (a) actually believe the things he is saying (i.e., has no firm grasp on reality), or (b) doesn't care enough to actually find out what is true and just says whatever enters his mind to try to get to the destination he wants:

> On Bullshit is a 1986 essay and 2005 book by the American philosopher Harry G. Frankfurt which presents a theory of bullshit that defines the concept and analyzes the applications of bullshit in the context of communication. Frankfurt determines that bullshit is speech intended to persuade without regard for truth. The liar cares about the truth and attempts to hide it; the bullshitter doesn't care whether what they say is true or false.[1]:61

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

Yeah, that argument is bullshit in itself. Trump learned to double and triple down on his lies from Roy Cohn:

https://forward.com/culture/431851/how-roy-cohns-shame-made-...

You'll never make me believe he doesn't do it on purpose. He thrives on it. There's no reason for him to stop lying before he's dead. Again, just like Cohn.

"Why are you attacking a point he didn't make?"

Because I missunderstood.

"If you're allowed to lie during your campaign and you're immune from the repercussions, of course you're going to sway voters"

But in my world, lying is enough to not vote for them anyway.

Sadly a lie travels the world by the time the truth can put on its pants. If Trump did rig any polls, we're still here a year in just trying to get such a court case off the ground. And that year was more than enough to do decades worth of damage.

I think people could know that Trump lies out of habit. It is kind of obvious? The problem that I see is, that they voted for him anyway.