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Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by Terr_ on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @06:56PM (#45676200)
We must (socially) assume all arrests are US citizens by default, and it is up to the Florida/federal government to assert otherwise on an individual basis.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by tartarus4o on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @07:11PM (#45676329)
What you describe is the principle of presumption of innocence. Shame it seems to be a lost concept in the land of the free nowadays.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by Terr_ on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @09:34PM (#45677225)
I feel it goes a bit beyond that, because at this point it's also the presumption that those governments are operating recklessly and with knowing dishonestly.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by flowerthoughts on Thursday October 23, 2025 @01:04AM (#45678308)
You could argue that presuming you're an alien implies that rights given by law don't necessarily apply to you. It's far worse than being presumed guilty.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by heavyset_go on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @07:18PM (#45676377)
This is why due process is so important, and why it's terrifying that it's being hand-waved away.

If you had a problem with Bush & Obama suspending habeas corpus, this should be setting off alarm bells for you if, for whatever reason, recent events haven't.

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Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by bryanlarsen on Wednesday October 22, 2025 @11:01PM (#45677740)
That's not true, there was massive coverage of that sort of thing during the Obama administration. There's a reason DACA was a major portion of Obama's efforts.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by aaomidi on Thursday October 23, 2025 @03:27AM (#45679170)
And also, many actual progressives hate Obama too for many of these anti democratic decisions.
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by RickJWagner on Thursday October 23, 2025 @08:08AM (#45680910)
I find this a good response.

If a person faults Trump equally with Obama, I believe they are acting logically.

If the person considers Obama a saint and Trump a demon, then I have to wonder why.

Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by bryanlarsen on Thursday October 23, 2025 @08:40AM (#45681141)
"equally" is highly suspect. Just like most presidents on both the R & D sides, Obama made a bunch of mistakes and was no saint. Trump cannot be considered normal or lumped together with "most presidents".
Re:Officials scrub data showing US citizens swept up in immi... by aaomidi on Friday October 24, 2025 @06:48PM (#45699881)
You’re basically saying party line people are kinda stupid and yeah. You’re right.