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Re:Neural audio codecs: how to get audio into LLMs by cubefox on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @11:21AM (#45656930)
But they behave just like models which use text tokens internally, which is also pointed out at the end of the above article.
Re:Neural audio codecs: how to get audio into LLMs by bigzyg33k on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @12:23PM (#45657713)
we don't know if that's due to inherent limitations of the tokenisation of audio, or a byproduct of reinforcement learning. In my own usage, I noticed a significant degradation in capabilities over time from when they initially released advanced voice mode. The model used to be able to sing, whisper, imitate sounds and tone just fine, but I imagine this was not intended and has subsequently been stunted via reinforcement learning.

I don't find the articles argument that this is due to tokenisation convincing.

Re:Neural audio codecs: how to get audio into LLMs by cubefox on Tuesday October 21, 2025 @01:06PM (#45658310)
They didn't say it's due to tokenization.

> This is likely because they’re trained on a lot of data generated synthetically with text-to-speech and/or because understanding the tone of the voice (apparently) doesn’t help the models make more accurate predictions.