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Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82% by achierius on Monday October 20, 2025 @09:47AM (#45643893)
> most of what western companies have created has had significant contribution by Chinese scientists or manufacturing, without which those companies would have nothing. If you look at the names of AI researchers there's a strong pattern even if some are currently plying their trade in the west.

While I don't disagree with your overall point, it's important to recognize that this is only a phenomenon of the last ~30 years, and to avoid falling into the trapn of Han racial chauvinism. E.g. there were ~no Chinese scientists in Germany in the 70s but they were heavily innovating nevertheless.

Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82% by dlisboa on Monday October 20, 2025 @10:00AM (#45644030)
Absolutely. China obviously has a longer history with innovation but they like to make it seem everything was invented by them at some point in the past. I'd say newer technology is where China has had a bigger impact.

Consequently newer tech is precisely where global cooperation is most required so no country can really do it by themselves. We could even say no country, western or otherwise, has been doing it on their own for the past 500 years or so but alas...

Re:Alibaba Cloud claims to reduce Nvidia GPU use by 82% by tsunamifury on Monday October 20, 2025 @11:13AM (#45644860)
It’s more helpful to think of China as an accelerant rather than an innovator in this position.