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Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by tptacek on Sunday September 23, 2012 @07:32PM (#4562514)
Can you imagine how unbelievably stupid and venal and untrustworthy you look when it's discovered that you deliberately lied about the timeline of your career? It's batshit that anyone would even consider it.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by michaelochurch on Sunday September 23, 2012 @08:01PM (#4562599)
I probably wouldn't consider it. When it comes to how people react to injustice, shallowness, stupidity (such as age discrimination) there are exploders and exploiters. Exploiters figure out how to use peoples' superficiality, stupidity, and moral deficiency to their benefit. Exploders get angry and try to rally the good to the cause-- they're the whistleblowers.

I'm an exploder, not an exploiter. It's my nature. I'm way too honest and blunt to be an exploiter. (Fuck, here I am being honest about the fact that I don't think dishonestly is always bad and that for many minor forms of it, even though I could never pull them off myself, I'm ethically OK with it.)

But ask your local Googler whether I'd recommend whistleblowing as a career move.

In movies, people like exploders and whistleblowers, but in real life, people think of exploders as a pain in the ass (killing the messenger) while exploiters get ahead. I used to think that exploiters were all unethical, but I've come to realize that some people can be exploiters without being harmful or unethical.

Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by waterlesscloud on Monday September 24, 2012 @12:07AM (#4563171)
Whether you or I would do it or not, it's virtually guaranteed that someone within your business circle has. Do you really care that they did?
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @01:30AM (#4563343)
I'll jump in and say yes. I'd never trust someone who lies to get ahead, and I'd make sure they knew it. It's sad that some here seem to think honesty is too high a bar; it's really not.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:12AM (#4563426)
So which is it?: are you lucky enough to live in a state without sales tax, or do you pay your state's use taxes promptly when you buy stuff online?
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @12:03PM (#4565277)
That's not even close to the same thing, whether an online retailer should charge taxes or not is a matter between the state and the retailer to settle and is currently up in the air; though I hear amazon will soon charge but will also introduce same day delivery. That's nothing like lying about my history to an employer to get a job or promotion.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by waterlesscloud on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:35PM (#4567129)
The retailer does no owe sales tax to the state, you do as a citizen of that state.

You, not the retailer, are legally obligated to report your purchases and pay the tax.

Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:35PM (#4567413)
I never said the retailer owed taxes to the state. And as I said, taxing online sales is a currently hot issue and relying on voluntary compliance of consumers isn't going to cut it and every state knows that. This is completely irrelevant anyway, I reject any assertion that failing to pay taxes due (often out of ignorance) on internet purchases is in any way comparable to deceiving your employer and co-workers by lying (on purpose) about your resume to gain social status.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @07:52PM (#4567734)
You're rationalizing. It's tax evasion, a crime, regardless of ignorance. Many states have a simple online form for it. That it's voluntary doesn't make a difference; paying property taxes is also voluntary for people who own their homes. These facts are highly relevant: when you're a tax scofflaw it's best not to point fingers at those merely lying.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:23PM (#4568021)
No I'm not rationalizing, I'm stating my opinion about the morality of the issue. And you're making yet another irrelevant and bad comparison, property taxes are generally rolled into a mortgage and you are given a bill for the taxes due. You're grasping at straws.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:12PM (#4568160)
People who own their homes don't have mortgages. They pay their property taxes on their own initiative, the same as the honest people paying their use taxes.

You've stated your opinion about morality all right. You think it's okay to be a scofflaw (definition: "a person who flouts the law, esp. by failing to comply with a law that is difficult to enforce effectively"), even for tax evasion. Yet you'd look down your nose at someone lying to make ends meet. Tsk tsk!

Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:50PM (#4568291)
No you can't move the goalpost; were talking about lying to raise social status and get ahead, not lying to make ends meet. It's clear you're not capable of an honest conversation, good day.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:58PM (#4568318)
Even lying to raise social status and get ahead is better than cheating on your taxes, according to the law.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Monday September 24, 2012 @11:59PM (#4568498)
Law and morals are vastly different things; sad that you confuse the two.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @12:21AM (#4568553)
It's the opposite. Obama, the chief enforcer of laws in our country, said "Our law is by definition a codification of morality." Lying is legal when society deems the lies to be acceptable or not wrong enough. Tax evasion, however, is considered to be morally wrong by society, hence it's illegal.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by gnaritas on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @10:41AM (#4570566)
Still grasping at straws I see, now it's argument from authority, any more fallacies you want to throw out. Laws are not morals, illegal does not mean immoral nor does legal mean moral and I don't care who you quote, you're wrong and they're wrong.
Re:Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:04PM (#4567257)
waterlesscloud is correct. It's a crime (tax evasion) for you to not pay your state's use taxes. Much more serious than lying to an employer; at least that's legal.