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Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by ahmeneeroe-v2 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @04:08PM (#45584167)
>clean streets, no homeless, practically zero crime

The US regressed on this heavily in the last generation.

Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by postflopclarity on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @04:34PM (#45584478)
no it didn't. crime rates have been steadily declining for over 30 years
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by nradov on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @04:46PM (#45584621)
The only crime rate data which is really reliable is the murder rate. This peaked in 1991 and has been generally stable (not steadily declining) since 1999, with a spike during the COVID-19 pandemic. Almost all murders do get reported and counted.

https://www.consumershield.com/articles/murder-rate-by-year

I don't trust the statistics for lesser crimes because so many of the victims never file a report. In many cities the police now subtly discourage people from filing reports because they don't want to deal with the paperwork or have their statistics look bad. But I think we can generally use the murder rate as a proxy for the overall level of criminality.

Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by vilhelm_s on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @05:05PM (#45584883)
Surely your graph shows it declining dramatically? If you zoom out a bit [https://crimeforecast.substack.com/p/explaining-the-crime-de...] we're currently at almost an all-time low, you have to go back to the 1950s to find similarly low numbers.
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by DroneBetter on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @07:07PM (#45586073)
I imagine the 2025 section is anomalously low due to lack of data availability and the graph's unwillingness to extrapolate
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by pyuser583 on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @10:15PM (#45587363)
How do you feel about crime victimization surveys?
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by nradov on Wednesday October 15, 2025 @01:09AM (#45588279)
The BJS National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) is interesting but I don't really trust it. A lot of the people who are most likely to be crime victims are also the least likely to answer government surveys. We have no way of knowing whether their statistical adjustments are accurate.
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by mcast on Tuesday October 14, 2025 @04:41PM (#45584569)
I agree, but a lot of petty/non-violent crime isn't enforced or reported anymore.
Re:America is getting an AI gold rush instead of a factory boom by ahmeneeroe-v2 on Thursday October 16, 2025 @10:19AM (#45605671)
Nope, sorry I don't believe this. I lived in Seattle for 15-years and while the city was never exactly hard on crime, I watched the post-2016 descent into madness and then the post-covid sprint into being actively pro-crime.

I watched it start in the downtown area and then spread into residential neighborhoods, and the homeless/criminal element become more physically aggressive too. "Public Intoxication" also increased except instead of drunks it was fentanyl users.

Car crimes similarly went from simple opening of unlocked doors, to smashing of windows to grab bags or cutting out catalytic converters.

Public transit went from bearable to unusable (though this might be better now, I don't have firsthand knowledge anymore since I stopped using it during the decline).